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Just Starting To Collect Roman Coins

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 Posted 06/25/2013  5:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bobz5000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I'm new to both coin collecting and to this forum. I've always had an interest in ancient Rome (I'm even specializing in Classical Civilizations in college) and recently grew an interest in trying to collect ancient Roman coins. I've read some information on the internet, but wanted to get my first coin to help motivate me to buy and read some books about them. I'm interested in coins from the Roman Empire, with an emperor on it. Also, I would like to get a AR denarius. I'm looking on vcoins.com but could use some help in seeing if it's real, rare, or a good deal. Any help would be much appreciated! Here is a link to the coins I'm looking at: http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/nbn...Default.aspx

http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/cer...Default.aspx
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 Posted 06/25/2013  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome!
I am a newbie and haven't a clue, but having loads of fun buying crusties from ebay and cleaning them up. I usually have to ask the guys and gals on this forum to help with identification.

I am in the UK and I think there are more home grown crusties than in the states.

You will get loads of advice and encouragement from this forum, and if you search the forums for vcoins you will see they have a good reputation.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first denarius of Septimius is a fouree ie a 'fake'. An ancient fake. A bronze blank was coated in silver and minted as a silver coin. At this time the Empire was coming under increasing strain economically. Funny business at the mint was one way of helping to make ends meet ! Whether official or unofficial cheating was becoming more common. The second example is a superb piece and if you can afford it I would say it is an extraordinary start to your collection. There is nothing ordinary about it and the price surprises me. If I collected silver (I don't) I would snatch it before you knew what happened. If you like it and it is in your budget you should buy it before one of these 'hounds' around here does !
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 Posted 06/25/2013  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with FR. The second is an excellent piece and if I had the budget it may just end up in my collection but alas I don't. I have heard nothing but good things about Cerberus Ancient Coins and the only fakes you have to really worry about on vcoins is as FR said Fouree's which were ancient fake coins meant to fool shopkeepers.

Vcoins is an excellent source and all of the dealers subscribe to the "VCoins code of ethics" which most importantly states that if at any point the coin is determined to be fake you may return the coin.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the community.

IMO the first coin is overpriced and not worth it. The second coin is excellent and well worth the price. There is a sticky thread here which lists lots of resources for you to study and help you learn about ancients. There are also many knowledgeable and experienced collectors that are more than will to help you learn. Hope to see you here often.
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Lots of fun and eduction here in the Ancient slum of CCF
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 Posted 06/25/2013  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobz5000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the information, especially about the fouree! I also took you guy's advice and bought the second coin. I've also already started reading everything I can find about Roman coins and am looking through the forum to find good books on ancient Roman coins. Any additional information about the second coin that I posted (and bought), or what to look for when making future coin selections would still be much appreciated. Thanks for all the help and advice!
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 Posted 06/25/2013  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best book for the money would be an older copy of Sear ''Roman Coins and Their Values". I believe a used copy can be found for under $30. The prices are out of date and the older editions are less comprehensive than the 'new' ones but they are loaded with the information you will need. Besides an older copy can be carried about with less worry about damaging or losing it.
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 Posted 06/25/2013  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That Septimius Severus is a nice coin. Unusual reverse too.

I think the reverse attribution should be 'He-Man riding Battle Cat leaping right, holding Power of Greyskull."
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 Posted 06/25/2013  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The legend could be Master of the Universe in Latin.
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 Posted 06/26/2013  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The legend could be Master of the Universe in Latin.


lol
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 Posted 06/26/2013  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobz5000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FR, I got the book online and am waiting for it & the coin in the mail. Because of my budget and because I want to learn more about ancient coins, I probably will wait to buy my next one until I know a little more. I've also tried to find the year the coin was made and I know that Septimius Severus changed the purity of the denarius over time, but haven't been able to find anything. Any advice?
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According to the examples on Wildwinds it was stuck A.D. 204. I don't know how that conclusion was made but it is a good time to start snooping around.
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 Posted 06/26/2013  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 2002 edition of 'Sear' lists it as AD 204.
Rev INDVLGENTIA AVGG IN CARTH - Dea Caelestis holding thunderbolt and sceptre seated on lion leaping r.
over water which gushes from rock on l.
Sear #6285 RIC 266

I rather thought the description was slightly 'off'.
The ancients had some interesting ideas about what a 'thunderbolt' looked like.
Often looking like two pinecones back to back with wings or in this case a giant hotdog !

The only hard evidence for the year is the designation AVGG which denotes the official recognition that there are 2 'recognized' emperors. In this case the little monster known as Caracalla who was elevated to the title in AD 198. The next in line Geta was not given the rank until AD 209. To the average collector thats the best date we can be sure of. Somewhere between these two events. Other coins will have more information which can narrow down a date better (COS consul TR P tribune of the people and IMP imperator). By the end of his reign Septimius had an inflationary economy and the denarius showed visible signs of debasement. This coin has no visible evidence this (note the weight of 3.41 grams while the fouree was listed at 2.2) First the coins got smaller then the metal was debased to a point that the silver has a dull appearance. I believe David Sear is making an educated guess on the year but he may have other evidence.

Take a breather after your first purchase and read the history of the first 4 centuries from Augustus to Theodosius. The bios of each emperor in the book are a good start. Then be patient ! Waiting for the good ones to come along is a bit like fishing. And with a few exceptions there will always be another (similar) one to buy.
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Well of course Mr Sear has other evidence. The AE As of the same 'design' has more room for titles.
Sear #6462 TR P XI which according to David Sear's own chart gives a year of AD 202-3 ! Go figure
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 Posted 06/26/2013  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobz5000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again, thanks for the information! I've checked wildwinds now and have started learning more about the abbreviations on the coins as well. I've especially been checking out the Severan dynasty. That was a really cool Septimius elephant coin you posted earlier btw FR.
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