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I collect Canadian and US type coins but I've been looking at the ancient coin sub forum recently and I have found an interest in ancient coins. More specifically Greek silver coins. So my question is how do you collect them. Do you put sets together or collect them individually or something completely different? Also how do you identify ancient coins and do you have any books or websites that you use to help you identify them. Any and all information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Nathan
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I generally collect whatever tickles my fancy but some people have sets they chase. The most common is the 12 Caesars. There are a lot of resources available for IDing coins. Most are listed in the stickied thread for this forum. A lot of people also have books for identification but they can get expensive as well. I generally use resources like Wildwinds.
I know very little about Greek silver coins so I can't really help you there.
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 United States
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I agree with what Whiz4ng said. I would also say that there is a lot of knowledgeable and experienced collectors here so ask questions. We are all will to help you learn.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Thank you both for your responses. I reaserched the 12 ceasers set and it seams preaty interesting, I think I will give that a try before I get into Greek coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Nathan Thank you for making this post .. I have been thinking about the same questions.
I worry about being able to tell what coins are real. From reading on this site .. I have learned to check out Wildwinds and Vcoins site.
I think it will take me some time to be able to identify what the coins are.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ancient coins are much like collecting art. You go after what interests you and what 'works' for you personally. Grading an ancient is very subjective and given the various states of preservation anything between 'Mint State' and "NFG" is debatable. Someone will will proudly show you a new acquisition and being tactful you will say "Um ..... Very nice". Well they saw something about it that made them pay real money for something you wouldn't pick up off the floor. Generally though I believe it is important to learn about the period which an ancient coin is dated to. If you like 'Greek' history the best place to start is often a nice little silver drachm of Alexander III aka the Great. Readily available and always sure to wow the friends. Be prepared for many of them to insist it can't be real because it would have cost one meeeallion dollars if it was. On the Roman side a nice bronze of Nero will get you much the same results. With a bit of patience $200 should get you one of each.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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@ GR58, Yes I have been cautious about fakes also, just looking at some of the ancients on ebay I looked at one I really liked, A very nice Greek coin for a fair price with a long item description. I read it and at the very bottem it said "This coin is a Fake". That was very disappointing and upset me. If you are going to sell a copy it should be clear in the title. Anyways I will stay far away from ebay and check out the stickys on this thread. I will also try out Vcoins as I have heard good reviews from them.
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Russian Federation
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Quote: Be prepared for many of them to insist it can't be real because it would have cost one meeeallion dollars if it was. Funny  that's the sort of reply I get pretty much every time I say I bought a coin older than 100-150 years old. Make it over 300 and it's pretty much a certainty. Seriously, people who hadn't seen it can never believe that a silver wire kopek of Ivan IV (circa 1550-1580) is worth maybe two bucks on a good day (back when silver was at $40/oz there was a brief time when they were actually worth below spot). ...That doesn't apply to Greek silvers, of course. I don't think I can really afford a Greek silver ($200? are you kidding?), and while I could probably afford a Roman silver I haven't yet found any cheap enough. Right now, the oldest silver coin in my collection is from 1517 (a Salzburg "early dated" piece - it just beats my oldest wire kopeks, which were made around 1538).
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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@FVRIVS RVFVS Well said. You are right a coin is like a work of art. I looked up the silver drachm you said, it's a very interesting little coin. There are so many interesting ancient coins I don't know what to chose! 
Edited by Nathancrh1 06/25/2013 5:30 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I did say "a little bit of patience" would be required. Some people have deep pockets and enjoy immediate gratification. Personally I enjoy the 'hunt' and will low ball a great many coins. I always say that if I win more than 5% of my bids I am doing something wrong ! If you like the Alexander drachms and spend your evening hours browsing (watching and learning) you will see decent examples selling for $100 ..... Watch for a few more weeks and you might see similar examples selling for $200 ....... Watch for a while longer and you will see another with the current bid at $50 with a few hours to go. Wait it out and throw in a bid with a minute to go and you just might 'steal' it for $70. For me the pleasure of finding the bargains exceeds 'immediate gratification'. I do this almost every evening on the laptop while my wife watches reruns of Seinfeld or something with vampires werewolves and zombies. Whatever floats your boat !
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Russian Federation
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Quote: and you just might 'steal' it for $70 Well, beyond the fact that I don't have an ebay account (and don't plan to get one anytime soon either), $70 is still a bit more that I would pay for any single coin (unless it's either gold, a dollar-sized or larger silver, or something ridiculously rare that realistically should've been worth $500+ - and I won't be too sure about the last two options). Now, if there was a Greek silver around for $20-30 (and it wasn't a nigh-unidentifiable corroded mess), I would've probably bought it. I've heard that lower-grade common Roman silvers occasionally go for under $10; so there's at least something to hunt for on that side! Other than that, yeah, most of my collecting is bargain-hunting. I know that I could've bought a Morgan dollar for $70 at any time, and I've seen a few as low as $55; but I'm sure that I'll eventually find one for $40 or even less, so I'm still searching for that one  However, very often, if I see a coin from a completely new (to me) type/series/theme at a reasonable (under $20ish) price, I just can't resist buying it - and often ultimately find out that I overpaid (sometimes by quite a lot - that 1699 English fourpence certainly wasn't actually worth anywhere near the $40 I paid for it).
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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If you are patient you can definitely find Roman silver for under $20. I don't think I have ever seen Greek silver for that price range but I don't actively pursue Greek silver. My best low price silver find so far was this beauty for $12 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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An Antoninus Pius denarius is an excellent choice for the beginner. An extraordinary large variety and of course being the all time #1 Mr Niceguy is priced much closer to the average collectors budget. I have seen really superb pieces priced under $35 and as this example shows very nice ones can even be had for the price of a used video game on ebay !
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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My professor always commented that Antoninus Pius was famous for not much happening during his time as emperor. He always called him 'an all around good guy'
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 Australia
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It is difficult to assemble "sets" of coins with ancients, compared to modern coins. That's mainly due to the way coins were made back then, compared to today. When each die is carved by hand and each coin is stamped by hand, it means that different types and varieties abound; attempting to "complete a type set" would be both prohibitively expensive and futile, since new "types" are still being dug up all the time. Still, there are "themes" than can be pursued, for those who like a little more focus to their collections. "The 12 Caesars" is a very common one in the Roman series. "One of each emperor" is less common, because several emperors are only known from a handful of coins. "Biblical coins" is another very popular theme that crosses both the Greek and Roman coin series. "Architecture" is another popular theme. Of course, coins from these "popular themes" do tend to be more expensive than equally rare and interesting coins that do not happen to fit the themes. Silver denarii of emperor Tiberius, for example, are fairly common - but because they fit into both the "12 Caesars" and "Biblical" collections, they are far pricier than an equally common denarius from, say, emperor Trajan. Many ancients collectors settle down to a small area they specialize in, that interests them: the coins of the city of Ephesus, for example, or the coins of emperor Septimus Severus and his family. Personally, I'm a generalist - expert in none, but dabbling in all. As for Internet references, Wildwinds has already been mentioned; it's an excellent one-stop-shop for identifying and evaluating Greek, Roman, Roman Provincial and Byzantine coins. Particularly useful is the "partial inscription search", which can be surprisingly good at helping identify a coin where only a few letters are legible. The FORVM website is also pretty good, both as a reputable source of genuine coins and a database of known fakes; they also maintain a blacklist of fake-sellers on eBay; if you must buy from ebay, then at least avoid any seller named there. For books for beginners, I'd recommend the six-volume series "Ancient Coin Collecting" by Wayne G. Sayles. They are not catalogues, but do give excellent overviews of each of the ancient coin series (Greek, Roman, Roman Provincial, Byzantine and "Everybody else") and they're fairly cheap. If nothing else, they should help you narrow down your collecting focus... or confirm you in not wishing to narrow down at all. His book "Classical Deception" on counterfeits and forgeries is also worthwhile reading.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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Thank you Sap and everyone else for helping me out. I will look into the books and references you gave me. This is just the beginning in hopefully a lifelong journey of collecting ancients and I think I'm addicted already!
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