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I'm writing a paper for school and I decided to go with what I know best, coins. I'm trying to find out how much a penny was worth compared to today's values (due to inflation and such). I need a reputable source that says something along the lines "A penny in 1793 could buy you something for $5 in today's current market." Does anybody remember reading something or know what to search? I just keep finding values of wreath cents
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Pillar of the Community
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This is the oldest CPI chart I could find: http://www.minneapolisfed.org/commu...hist1800.cfmThe way it works is you divide the value for one year by the other. For example, the value for 2013 is 701.5 and 1800 is 51, so a cent in 1800 is worth 14 cents today.
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Search for "Inflation calculator." My results indicate your 1793 Cent would buy about $2.38 worth of stuff today.
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Bedrock of the Community
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A penny was worth about 2 cents, there were 240 pennies to the pound and pound was worth about $5.
Seriously trying to determine a reasonable correlation in value between then and now is rather difficult. Inflation calculators are questionable because for the past 20 to 30 years the way inflation has been calculated have been politically manipulated so that it no longer resembles the real world. Comparing prices of commodities or manufactured goods is questionable because although the prices have gone up considerably, productivity has also increased greatly which brought costs down. This acts as a multiplier to the apparent price increase. How do you allow for this?
They closest I can come is to compare what the average semi-skilled worker, able to raise his family, earned, compared to what the average salary man has to earn today to raise his family. Even this isn't accurate because the average person today lives much more comfortably than the worker in 1793 and a great many households today have two wage earners to make ends meet compared to one back then. Also the work week in the 1790's was six ten hour days a week so a worker back then worked about 1.5 years each year compared to todays workers. A semi-skilled worker back then earned about 200 dollars per year compared to the national average today of about $30,000 or about 150 to 1 (1 cent equals $1.50). If you adjust for the fact that today's worker only works 2/3rds as many hours it comes out to about 224 to 1 (1 cent equals $2.24).
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Sort of agree with Conder101. It is really difficult to compare values from even a few years ago with today. As our society grows with modern electronic the way things are, some items have stayed almost the same over the years. For example I know a loaf of bread was about ten cents back in the 40's. However, due to modern methods I've seen a loaf of bread in stores for less than a half dollar. And due to moderazation, there are many, many varieties of loaves of bread with some in the $5 range. And if you go to a bread company oveh stock, thrift store at times a loaf of bread is ten cents. There were no cars in 1793 so no way to compare those with today at all. And you really can't compare a horse and buggy with a car for value. And a Buggy whip would have been about a dollar and today not available. Now try to figure out the Monthly cost of a cell phone in 1793.  So what would a penny back in 1793 buy that would cost about $5 today. Improbable reply since so many things can be made today so much easier and cost so much less. They recently had a special on H. Ford on TV. And as they pointed out how his assembly line method lowered the price of cars. So the auto industry too makes comparing values difficult. Possibly your paper would have to speculate what an object being made today the same as back then.
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What Dave said, about $2.38 in todays money.
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Pillar of the Community
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I would try to find out what things cost back then. Things like a haircut, a pair of boots, a shovel, a beer or shot of whiskey at a bar and make comparisons like that
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Good points on the political manipulation of inflation and monetary values. I was going to say you have to consider the cost of things as well as the value of money, but I think I've been soundly beaten to these talking points. Suffice it to say a cent had more buying power then. :)
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Actually money crises are not a modern thing. There were quite a few events in our early history where inflation skyrocketed. The difference then was that after the crisis passed, things went back to normal. Now it just keeps building.
As others have mentioned, perhaps the best way to measure it is to find the price of items that people frequently spent money on, like food, booze and rent.
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Quote: I need a reputable source that says something along the lines "A penny in 1793 could buy you something for $5 in today's current market." Is condor101 a reputable source here on CCF? I think so, and hopefully your teacher will too!  Nice explanation condor101, Well done.
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Pillar of the Community
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From what I read conversion can be difficult since some products were just not available. Some products were very expensive like clothes since they were hand woven. Here are tavern menus from the time menu, this could help: www.foodtimeline.org/foodfaq5.html#tavern
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Pillar of the Community
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A nights stay at an inn cost about the same as a beer? Bet they didn't let you keep the little soaps.
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Bedrock of the Community
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My suggestion would be to change your ideas to how time changed the value of a cent. How a cent may well have purchased something back in 1793 but now due to so many changes in our society, that cent is almost worthless. And although a beer back then may have cost a few cents, today some beers still cost very little and some cost several dollars. If you think about it, so many things have escalated in cost from then to now but many have hardly changed in cost at all. Might be interesting to see just how many items or services you could find that are still within the same approximate costs.
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I have some old Church minutes from 1829. In it the workmen who built the church were paid 1 and 3/4 of a cent a hour. Let's put that into perspective. In 1829, land was selling for $2 an acre. So at 7/4 a day, divided by 800/4 for an acre of land, it would take a little over 114 hours to earn enough money to buy an acre of land. Or a bit over 11 days wages. And that sounds reasonable. Especially when you realize that it would have taken longer than that since they would have had to pay for food and drink, and other sundries and necessities. This Link will show some of the cost in the British Army, I would suspect out coinage would have similiar value since they were all based on the same weights of copper at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briti...enth_centuryThis link gives a good overview on the cost of a loaf of bread. http://www.johnhearfield.com/History/Breadt.htmEssentially a loaf of bread in 1800 cost 1 and a Half Cents. In 1793 it would have cost the same. Hope this helps
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Quote: A nights stay at an inn cost about the same as a beer? Bet they didn't let you keep the little soaps.  Did they have little soaps back then? I doubt it, probably had to pay extra for a bath back then, and in dirty water as well.
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I can see another difficulty. If you equate a Two Cents to a loaf of bread, then you could say that a penny is worth 50 times more now than then. On the other hand if you equate 2 cents to an 1/100 of the price of an acre of land. And that same acre is currently worth about $6000, then a cent of 1793 would be worth $30. Bread is cheaper now than then, with more volume for the mills, and the processes industrialized. So while the comparisons are interesting, they are not direct. The same with Cement which used to be very labor intensive and so very expensive. But with industialization is now very very cheap. I would think land is a good vehicle for your comparison.
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