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Ottoman Empire, Akã§e 1481

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 Posted 06/26/2013  2:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ngdawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all!
I am a proud owner of an silver akçe coin dated 886 AH (which means 1481 AD) from the Ottoman Empire.

What I would like to know is; what does it say on the coin? I would like to have the text on obverse and reverse translated in English but also the Arabic writing.

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 Posted 06/26/2013  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice clear akche, with much of what's supposed to be there actually present.

The obverse (top picture) bears the name of the sultan - in this case, Bayezid II. I don't have my "Arabic Coins and How to Read Them" guidebook with me at the moment to confirm, but I believe it says "Sultan Bayezid bin Mehmed Khan". "Bin" meaning "son of".

The reverse is basically the date and mint. I believe it says "Ghiyas zuriba fi Edirne". "Ghiyas" meaning "glorious victory" - I guess they were still pretty proud of having conquered Constantinople, although the word appeared on numerous more modern Ottoman coins too. "Zuriba fi" means simply "struck in". Edirne is the mint name; the city was a common mint for Ottoman silver coins until the 1700s.
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 Posted 06/27/2013  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ngdawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jbuck: That's my goal. I Think we're still at 1502 right?

Sap, are you for real? That is awesome, thanks alot! And yes, Bayezid (or Bayezit?) sounds familiar.
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Lol, funny how it's my language and it is hard for me to read it.
I can just read Mohammad "Ù.Ø­Ù.د"(written in a different Arabic font) on the second picture.
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I Think we're still at 1502 right?
Not sure. I asked again if Pheroow's 1502 counts.
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Lol, funny how it's my language and it is hard for me to read it.


I'm not sure if it's Arabic-Arabic or Turk-Arabic, if you know what I mean. The Ottomans used the Arabic alphabet as well, but wrote in some Ottoman-Turk-Arabic

Yay, I'm great at explaining things!
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The language on Ottoman coins is always "proper" Arabic. Even letters and sounds unique to Turkish (such as in the names of some of the Sultans) were transposed into their nearest Arabic equivalents.

These old Islamic coins can be difficult for modern Arabic-speakers to read, for the same reason that mediaeval European coins can be difficult for modern European-language-speakers to read: by our rather fussy modern standards, the lettering on old coins is simply badly written. The wording I've translated above is rather a lot of words to fit onto a tiny little coin, so the die engravers took quite a few shortcuts - short vowels are omitted entirely, other letters are occasionally skipped here and there, details that might help distinguish one letter from another are omitted or put in the wrong place, and words are disassembled and their letters scattered all over the place, wherever they will fit.

As Richard Plant says in the book I quoted above, it's very often the case that "we have to know what a word is before we can be sure of our reading of it".
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