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Fugio Pickup

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 Posted 06/27/2013  7:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Picked up my first Fugio copper at Baltimore last week.

A little toasty but otherwise a very cool coin.

I would be super impressed if someone were actually able to determine the variety (but highly unlikely).



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 Posted 06/27/2013  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Welcome to the Fugio club! And a challenge! Bring it!
(Oy. What am I getting into?)
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 Posted 06/27/2013  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the Fugio club!
Looks like a little circulation on this one:) Definitely an attribution challenge!
Congrats on your purchase!
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 Posted 06/28/2013  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, its basically uniface! Nice pickup...Id call it a nice lowball. How much do these things cost?
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 Posted 06/29/2013  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, here goes...

Starting, obviously, with the reverse. What can we see? Certainly the rings and the band (the center ring with STATES and UNITED incuse). These elements are the same on almost all Fugio reverse dies; they're stamped from a master hub, and the new die only becomes unique when WE ARE ONE is punched in.
Believe it or not, the rings on a Fugio are not perfectly symmetrical. In particular, one of the links is more narrow than the others, like the rings are cutting into each other. This one is visible at about 90 degrees on your bottom pic. The letters on the center band always line up the same way with the rings, and we can still see the deep uprights of the two T's in STATES:


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Most Fugios have WE ARE ONE punched in so that STATES is left, and UNITED right, so looking for letters in the mess in the center oriented that way, there looks to be an O-shaped blob pressed up close against the band between T-A. What reverses have the O in ONE in about that position? P... S... but M looked particularly good. Nice thing about M is, the late die states are heavily clashed, with the negative image of the exergue (the section with MIND YOUR BUSINESS) clearly visible in the rings at top of the reverse:


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In case of any doubts, here's the M reverse, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise:


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One side down! The M reverse was only paired with three obverses, 12, 19, and 22. 19 was likely used first in the minting; it's not found with this clashed state of M. Newman is of the opinion that 22-M is likely always found in "medal turn." I think your second pic is right-side-up, and we can see the ghost of the exergue:


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So, hold the coin top and bottom this way up with thumb and forefinger, and rotate. If the reverse clash I showed you is at the top, probably 22-M. If it's at the bottom, probably 12-M.

Now, that's what I call fun!
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 Posted 06/29/2013  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great sleuthing p.! I love these low grade Fugio's and the challenge they present.
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 Posted 06/29/2013  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerseyben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You rock! Thanks for the attribution.

I can actually see everything you referenced when the coin is viewed in hand under correct lighting.
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 Posted 06/29/2013  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My pleasure! So which is it? Medal turn or coin turn?
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The clash is at the bottom so I guess that makes it 12-M which is R3.

Would my coin be considered problem free? If so, net grade FR-02?
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 Posted 07/03/2013  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
more likely PO-01
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 Posted 07/03/2013  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rockin attribution p!
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 Posted 07/09/2013  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinDan98 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How much did that cost?
I'd like to get one soon
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 Posted 07/10/2013  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chetzler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I see coins this worn I always wonder how long they were circulating. Seems like it would take many decades to accumulate this much wear. Was colonial coinage current well into the 19th Century? Through the Civil War?

Oh, and brilliant detective work, philadelphian!
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How do I miss these threads!
Nice pickup and yes, welcome to the club :-)
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