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Help!! 1901 Barber Quarter With Very Bizarre Markings.

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Hi everyone, first let me thank you all in advance for any help you're able to offer. This is my first post so hopefully it's done properly.

Just a bit of the back story, I only started metal detecting about 2 months ago. I decided to take my MD'ing gear with me on a trip to Utah a few weeks ago. While in Salt Lake City my nephew and I decided to take a 2 hour road trip to hunt together. I end up finding the Barber quarter around an old mining town (ghost town now). The town in question was completely abandoned by 1904. The Barber was found right on the outskirts. Was only about 4 inches deep. At the time neither of us new what the quarter actually was.

Later that week after doing a bit of research we figured we should have an expert take a look at the coin. The guy at the coin shop was a bit grumpy, but perked up a bit after seeing the quarter. At first he was baffled at the three hand-made markings on each side. He said they resembled X's. After looking at he coin for a bit longer he said it was possibly the the marks were actually initials, not X's. It does look like X T Y on one side.

Anyways he said the markings added prominence, least I think that's the word he used, please forgive me I'm a total newbie! Basically he said the coin has an interesting history and could be worth more. The old guy did make us an offer to buy it but after careful consideration we decided to hang on to it for now. Figured we better do some more research. So here I am. Again, thank you very much for any help you're able to offer.

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 Posted 07/06/2013  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to me, those look like someone was trying out a pair of wire-cutters. PMD, probably nothing more.

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Forgot to list what kind of help I am actually looking for. I'm just looking for any info whatsoever on the coin. Please and thanks!
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I think I would agree that the marks on the coin most would view as damage. There are some coins that have been stamped by a company then put into circulation for advertisement, some of these command a premium. A random person put some letters on the coin for whatever reason. It is 90% and worth at least melt. Someone may pay a buck or so over that since it has VG/F details but that is about it. It is an interesting find though since you never see these coins outside of circulation. I have several of those coins. One issue I see is the "X" blocks the date, making it only valuable for its silver I would think. Is the date 1905?
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Looks like 1904 to me.
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I think you have a right to be intrigued by these markings! The coin dealer was probably saying they gave the coin provenance, meaning the marks (might) provide some context in regard to the place you found the coin. Provenance is an archeological term; if you want an entertaining definition, see the great 1977 film "The Deep," a must-see for any treasure-hunters.
Provenance is what separates those seeking knowledge from those seeking treasure; you wouldn't be here if you just wanted to know how big a piece of silver you found in the ground. It's true these marks may have been made with no purpose, but the coin was struck twice, in six different places, particularly spaced, with a tool that leaves a wedge-shaped imprint. I'd say this was a form of crude countermark or counterstamp. It may well have some significance with how the miners in that town were paid, or with how or where they spent their money.
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I don't what to make of it, but it definitely piques my interest! It sure appears to be 1904, which seems strange if the town was also abandoned in that same year. It seems unlikely that the coin could accumulate that much wear in less than one year; perhaps it was deposited much later? I'm always fascinated by coins with this type of "damage". Even if they are less valuable from a numismatic perspective, they certainly have more historical value in my opinion...just wish we could identify exactly what that value is in this case!
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 Posted 07/10/2013  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chetzler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible these are some form of chop mark? Perhaps this coin made a side trip to China at some point?
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