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What do you all think? In my mind it was well bought....lets see if you all agree. [URL="http://s160.photobucket.com/user/darth_nagul/media/Morgans/1890-O/1890OObv_zpsa19b7824.jpg.html]  [/URL] [URL="http://s160.photobucket.com/user/darth_nagul/media/Morgans/1890-O/1890-ORev_zps2c3e9399.jpg.html]  [/URL] |
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I think the marks on the cheek are bag marks and this one goes MS-63. How does it look in hand?
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MS 63 to me for the same reasons as dave700x mentioned.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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The pictures are pretty accurate...the most baggy part of the coin is in the field in front of lady liberty....the cheek is pretty darn clean in hand....little grazes but nothing really detracting. 63 makes me happy though. 64 would make me really happy.....I like this one though....in hand it has that frosty appearance
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Bedrock of the Community
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just trying to learn something on this...I see what appears to be some wear on the high points of the hair around the forehead and above the ear as well as on the high points of the bonnet. is this caused by a weaker than normal strike? if so, how can you tell the difference. I see this on many Morgans and have always knocked these down to the AU category
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just trying to learn something on this...I see what appears to be some wear on the high points of the hair around the forehead and above the ear as well as on the high points of the bonnet. is this caused by a weaker than normal strike? if so, how can you tell the difference. I see this on many Morgans and have always knocked these down to the AU category
There's a whole gamut of differing factors which go into a decision like this. Not the least of which is, consideration of shadowtrooper's individual imaging skills. The only hard-and-fast rule is that every coin has to be approached as a clean-slate case and everything you know about how all these factors play in, has to be brought to bear with no prejudice formed by previous decisions you've made in similar cases. This one's AU58, and for context, I probably throw that grade out less-often than any other "serious" grader on the forum. |
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So...ssuperddave...was I correct in seeing the wear where I thought it was? I would have graded this AU58 also
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Yeah one reason I put this one up here was my going back and forth if this coin was ms or not....have this one marked as 58/63 eye appeal is strong in hand...I've had a 50/50 split from dealers on the coin be it ms or au.....I can see it as either...all in all I'm happy just threw $35 at the coin anyway...the 04-o I posted I had no question about being mint state....definite weak strike.
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$35? Snerk.  The ear above the hair and the wingtips, combined with having seen a whole lot of shadowtrooper's photography work (I know what he can do with a camera now, and how his individual style shows a given coin) told me this one had circulated. Go look at the 1904-O coin he referenced if you haven't - you'll see how the interplay of his results and the coin itself make that one obviously Mint State, and this one not. It's a whole_lot_more complicated than just looking at an image and forming an opinion. That's the potential fallacy of grading from digital images. |
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The cheek does looked thumbed! But it might squeak through an MS63 at a TPG yet. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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thanks for the explanation SsuperDave. that helps
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Looks like AU-58 would be about right on this one.
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Somewhere in the range from AU-55 to AU-58. I would like to see a bit more luster on an AU-58.
Definitely not mint state
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decided to mess around with my lighting and took a couple more pics of the coin....lighting is a funny thing [URL="http://s160.photobucket.com/user/darth_nagul/media/Morgans/1890-O/90-oobv_zps12397389.jpg.html]  [/URL] [URL="http://s160.photobucket.com/user/darth_nagul/media/Morgans/1890-O/90-Orev_zpsb4a34925.jpg.html]  [/URL] |
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Even with the new photos I would still be at AU-58 on this one.
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Quote:The cheek does looked thumbed! But it might squeak through an MS63 at a TPG yet.  I have wondered about whether or not it was thumbed. The haze has a brownish tint and the halos around the stars and reverse design elements sort of reminded me of a picture labeled as such in the PCGS grading guide. |
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