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1941 Pennie I Believe Is A Retained Broken Die

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 Posted 07/01/2013  12:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
im not sure but from others pics I have see this looks like it
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 Posted 07/01/2013  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pheroow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems so...
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A retained broken die error would need to visibly extend to the edge of the coin at one or more points. This coin appears to have been struck by a die that had chipped plating (also known as a so-called "mortar-set").

Nice error. Too bad about the polishing though.
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sorry what do you mean by polishing,,thanks
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Hi vaga. Your coin seems to have an unnatural surface -- worn but shiny. I think it has been cleaned aggressively.
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heres another pic that one was from inside the holder

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That crack must be related to the so called mortar set-----Therefore I think this is a plain planchet error---no die break action at all---IMHO
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ok thanks to everyone
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struck by a die that had chipped plating (also known as a so-called "mortar-set").


Dies were not plated in 1941.Chrome plating of dies for some coins began experimentaly in 1942.
I vote for retained lamination.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Portions of the die face can sink in, with those areas bounded by an encircling die crack. These are usually tagged with the label "retained interior die break", although there's no way to establish whether the area was physically detached from the remainder of the die neck.

That said, the die crack does not complete a circle on this coin. Therefore this would instead likely be an area of die subsidence (sunken die error) partly encircled by a bi-level (stepped) die crack. That is if this is actually a die crack. It could be a lamination error. Impossible to tell without an examination under a microscope.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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thanks mike its interesting I like the coin whatever it is,thanks a lot
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