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Anyone Buy Physical Gold While Holding A Short Gold Etf?

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Does anyone hedge their exposure to downward gold prices by buying physical gold but also purchasing a short gold ETF? I guess in theory this would make you neutral while accumulating metal. This is a question not investment advice. Would this be the kind of things internet sellers would do to hedge their exposure?
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You could buy physical gold and short a dollar value equivalent of a gold ETF. However, you'd have to keep in mind that the market value, costs, fees, and convenience is obviously going to be different.

The only scenario where I'd maybe consider doing something like this would be where I am very long on physical gold but wanted to mitigate the risk of a protracted bear market in Au. The cost structure would work in your favor as long as the gold price is in decline. However, if you ever had to sell your physical to cover your short, the higher fees, commission costs, and sheer inconvenience of selling your physical metal makes this arrangement not nearly as attractive. At least that's my take on things.
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You could theoretically cover some of it, yous still lose a little because the physical premiums of buying are higher than the 9.99 of buying the etf.

Im as inpatient as anyone when it comes to waiting for coins, but if I'm heavily shorting something like a metal I'm not buying it at the same time in any form other than numismatic. If you mistime the shorting and dont want to close you can buy the long to cover it and vice versa and cover yourself a bit and I would want to do that as cheaply as possible.

Coin was absolutely correct youre going to run into a lot of problems with physical if youre trying to use it to cover and investment loss. The time it takes to sell, the hit youre going to take from a dealer or ebay, shipping costs ect. Thatd be a significant amount of money tied up in the physical where you wouldnt get a long of bang for your buck in terms of covering.

If youre looking to add gold I think the 2.50 indians would be an ok play. They can lose value but 200ish to 60 or 70 is a lot better than 1400 to 500 potentially. Even better I would find someone that collects the older gold coins and see if they can remember the ones that had significant numismatic value before the price run up and see if you can find the magic grades where the older gold coins are based more off of rarity than melt.

The other option would be getting some of the Charlotte or Dahlonega mint gold coins. Theyre going to be pricey, but being a short lived mint they are desirable and have significant numismatic values even now. I'm personally not buying gold right now but if I was it would be Charlotte or Dahlonega coins.
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