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1851 Large Cent

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 Posted 07/10/2013  12:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Thought the die clashes on reverse of this coin were interesting. N-19 variety maybe? How would you grade this coin? Thanks Jerry http://www.ebay.com/itm/1851-Braide...ht_151wt_905
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 Posted 07/10/2013  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like that coin. Not cleaned -- but probably "washed" at some point long ago, or at least sat in damp conditions. No big deal and I find it very pleasing.

Can't help with varieties, but it seems VF-35 to me. The reverse is especially nice, and would lift it to EF-40 if there were not quite as much wear to the brow on the obverse.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-30 details, possibly once cleaned
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 Posted 07/10/2013  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF35+, I think it could go EF40, however, I believe this coin was cleaned. also there is something going on between the 1 and 8 that could be some corrosion. with that and the obv scratches most likely would get a details grade
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 Posted 07/10/2013  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Initially looking at the coin I did not think it was cleaned. I don't see any obverse scratches. There are a couple tiny verdegris spots.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely an N-19.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What scratches? The nicks on the face are few and would only detract if we were talking about an uncirculated specimen.

I've seen this colour on a lot of original large cents over the years. I really think it's non-intentional -- damp pockets, basement floor, something like that. I doubt it is possible to conclude that it has definitely been cleaned. But there could be an "env damage" or some other non-specific conclusion if you slab it and the grader is suspicious enough to give you a details grade.

Any way, I think it is a nice coin, and might even have picked up myself had I seen the auction.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jerryc39 - I need redact my comments above. I dont know what I was looking at. when I went back out to the link you posted I must have had brain damage as to what I was thinking. I think this is a nice example in the EF40 range. I do not think it was cleaned.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no problem panzaldi You and I usually see about the same thing when we comment on these large cents. Thanks for your opinion.
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Wow I like that Large cent neat looking, I could easily call it VF++ so close to EF it hurts. Cleaned? not likely, but surely conserved at one point. It did not sell? The price was pretty good too.
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 Posted 07/10/2013  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add supgog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF35. I don't see this one making XF.
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 Posted 07/15/2013  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pawpaw34 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be at vf30 also.
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I see a vf-ef slider. I do not think that it has been cleaned. I agree N-19. Cool lines on the back. Nice coin.
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I think I would have beaten the competition out of the way with a baseball bat to snag that one at $30.
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 Posted 07/15/2013  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the nice comments about the coin guys. I did end up buying it after auction closed. Could not resist those lines! Had not seen any other coin with those. Jerry
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