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Pillar of the Community
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A strategy for acquiring dates, I never thought of that. I just look on ebay and the bid board for any dates that I don't have that meet my criteria of grade and originality. Of course this is tempered by my budget at any given week. I also tend to be impatient and try and acquire as many good ones as I can in as short a time as possible. Kinda crude, but heh that's me!
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Pillar of the Community
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Basicbob, I too just started to collect Buffalos. I got 2 uncirculated Buffalos today.  I think your idea of starting with the key dates is good because they tend to go up quicker. I'd like to know what other members think about that stragedy.
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Finished my last set of Indian Heads (Buffalo's) several years ago and haven't been into these since that time. I understand they have gone through the roof in that period of time. You ask for stratagy in purchasing these coins, and I might suggest that you always buy the best speciman that you can afford from what is offered for sale, provided it matches the rest of the set and looks like it belongs in with the coins you already possess. This method also works well for upgrading of the set. I would not set quotas and avoid making snap decisiions on any coin found that you aren't 100% sure of.
Edited by OldDan 05/30/2007 7:04 pm
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Valued Member
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Strategy for acquiring dates:
A couple of comments; unlimted funds vs a budget & buy quality, do not be in a rush.
I set a monthly coin budget, but bought the Buffalo's when they came available. I was fortunate to have a retired collector/dealer friend who I would give a want list, which included grades. He would search the Chicago area, & monthly we would get a couple on the list.
On wrt prices, some of these will cost some bucks: like.............so some advance planning on funding will help you. 1913 D T2 AU55 $275 1913 S T2 EF $550 1921 S F12 $200 1924 S F12 $110 1926 S VF $150
Ron (ronaldb112)
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Indian/Buffalo nickels are pretty darn scarce in this neck of the woods in any grade so I generally buy whatever I can get my paws on at a fair price from my dealer if it is earlier than 1930. High grade coins are very rare coming into his shop so I don't pass much up. With prices escalating I have decided to just grab Fine or better and put them away. Seems to me the ole herd is drying up, at least in this area, and I have a lot of pasture left!!!
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Yep Terry, after trying to acquire some tougher dates in Fine or Very Fine, I can only conclude that train loads of Buffalo hunters are arriving to shoot the few remaining fairly priced coins in the herd out here on the the Oklahoma Plains. My pasture has about 24 Buffs missing from my herd. Bidding on ebay for problem free coins easily exceeds Gray Sheet and Coin Values prices. I really can't believe what has happened to the lowly Indian Head/Buffalo Nickel that I collected from change in my childhood days. I wonder if these prices will hold up?
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Quite honestly most dealers will tell you the best performing series for decades has been the Indian cent and the Indian/Buffalo Nickel. I just wish I had been bright enough to know (in the past 30 years) what was coming as the well has gone dry, so to speak. I passed up many an unc. buffalo through the years and now, even if you can find one, the prices are through the roof! I started buying almost anything with a mint mark prior to 1930 in lower grades last winter and now even they have dried up! Whats a buffalo hunter to do?
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Valued Member
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My opinion on the acid etch procedure is to not touch any Buffalos that have undergone this indignity. There have been a few discussions here on Coin Community about this very topic. If you do a Search, you can probably find the threads. Not everyone posting here agrees with me on this question, and there were some pretty lively conversations. Changing gears a bit, I have done a lot of research on Buffalo nickel value trends over the years, and compared to most other collector coins, they stand near the top in terms of price escalation. This series has maintained true popularity with the collector base for decades, and in all probability, will remain so. My advice is to anyone is to not be afraid to pay good money for properly graded, problem free Buffalos (e.g. acid etched), especially the key dates. They will be worth much more in the not too distant future.
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Very good advice Daniel! I have had a couple of acid dates cross my hands, and I do believe I still own one, but would never knowingly purchase one. Not sure how I managed to get the two I have had but one is a semi-key so its still here as a hole filler. As soon as I can replace it off it goes!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I would suggest before ever using ebay, try garage,yard and estate sales. Also, flea markets. The main thing I always stress is to ask, ask, ask. People just don't want to put coins out on a table at such sales. Not estate auctions but sales. At flea markets you sometimes find people trying to dump a collection they inherited. At one flea market I found a notebook with plastic pages full of Indian Hean Nickels. 228 of them for $80. All in at least EF grades or better. At garage sales I've found coins you wouldn't beleive. If none are available, try checking out coin shows. You can usually find a listing by going to Google and typing in coin shows and your state. If near a border try other states. Coins shows if basically local are decent with prices. Large shows are expensive due to the dealers traveling expenses, lodging, food, etc. I have acumulated several completed sets of Indian (buffalo) Nickels over the years and have many, many duplicates from the above mentioned places. I use the Whitman Albums and hate the stupidity of the addition of error coins such as 3 legged Buffalos and such. Stupid, stupid, stupid. And as more and more error coins are discovered will they add those slots also?
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I have been mad for years over the 1918D 8 over 7 as I have had them in the past (without a doubt) in lower grades and saw no particular reason to hold on to them. The coin is an ERROR and has NO business being included in the albums. That ugly hole is one of the main reasons prices are through the roof on an error that no one actually knows how many are out there. And, they just keep locating more errors, as just carl has stated, so will the trend continue? I have some 1937 Buffalo's that are heavily double dated and the grading services DID NOT even notice when I submitted them. Guess only the big guys and national dealers can get double die coins graded and encapsulated? I have over 30 years of collecting experience and in those 30 years I have dealt with 3 different grading companies (three times) and can honestly say all three put the screws to me! I NEVER buy anything except raw coins as I don't want to be a part of an inflated, hyped, imaginary coin market.
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Valued Member
United States
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Colin: I emailed you this weekend, & I would recommend this used book. 1. The Complete Guide to Buffalo nickels by David W. Lange, 2nd edition, published by David Lawrence Rare Coins. 208 pages in hardcover (buy used $18) Ron (ronaldb112)
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Bedrock of the Community
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quote: That ugly hole is one of the main reasons prices are through the roof on an error that no one actually knows how many are out there.
I read something similar to this in Q. David Bowers The Experts' Guide to Collecting... in regards to album holes. He also discussed the prices of some errors and die varieties listed in the Red Book vs. ones that are not. Without fail, Red Book status will elevate the price of a die variety or error similar to another that is unlisted. quote: I have some 1937 Buffalo's that are heavily double dated and the grading services DID NOT even notice when I submitted them. Guess only the big guys and national dealers can get double die coins graded and encapsulated?
The grading services will not automatically attribute errors- you have to pay extra for proper attribution (I know, nickeled and dimed  ...)
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Pillar of the Community
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I am really enjoying this thread I must say. Hmm - I wonder if Ed Grimley was a Buff collector? As I have acquired more of these coins and placed them in my album, I have noticed quite a number with varying degrees of die rotation. This seems to occur more with dates earlier than 1920. Also thnaks to Ronald for a great book recommendation.
Colin
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have a BOMB LOAD of Buffalos. Tonight I crack open and additional 2+ rolls from my Grandfathers collection. They are all fairly worn, but the dates and everything are legible. Sounds like these may actually be worth something, huh? I've looked at the first batch closely, there was no 3-leggers in there and the majority were Philly, just a couple D's and S's so far. Based on what I have, these are rarer/more valuable? Question time:
What does "full horn" mean? Which specific dates/mint marks should I be watching for as I get these into 2x2's?
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