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Cant Wait To See What This Engelhard Goes For

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 Posted 07/30/2013  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swrbxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
same style as the 4 oz listed.
With the exception it is an employee bar. So its in a presentation case.

About.ag will get none of my pictures as I am in the process of putting together my own site. With accurate information on JM and Engelhard bars. Including pictures of bars never seen before.
Such as the engelhard poured test bar.
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 Posted 07/30/2013  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jenger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's just like anything else. The silver content in this bar doesn't play much, if any, of a factor in price on this bad boy. Its worth what someone is willing to pay.

For instance, I am a car enthusiast, I like Honda's a lot. There are SO MANY stupid little options/accessories that Honda released for specific cars only in Japan or Europe for instance. Something as stupid as a "coin tray" instead of an ash tray, well these items go for BIG BIG bucks. Hundreds of dollars in some cases, just because its a real deal and its rare.

And I mean this goes for every thing in the world basically. If you step out of the mind set of a PM "Investor" and step into the mind set of a PM "Collector" it seems a tad bit more reasonable. And if you are a collector who likes top shelf items and has the bankroll to afford such pieces, whats 3,4 or $5000 anyway?
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 Posted 07/30/2013  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Good to hear from you again Gofindtreasure. I'm sure you'll get plenty of pageviews on your auction and reap a nice reward.

I was curious if you are the seller? It looks like you might have consigned it to a local ebay merchant? Just wondered.

I absolutely would have started the auction with a high opening bid like you did. You don't want something like that to slip between the cracks and sell for cheap. Best of luck!
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 Posted 07/30/2013  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gofindtreasure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why thank you BH , its such a great forum.
Nice to hear from you too.

I thought it would be best to hire a friend to manage the sale.
He has a lot of experience in selling coins of considerable value on ebay.

Given the quality of this bar ,
Nothing less than a Top Rated ebay seller would suffice.


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 Posted 07/30/2013  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that was a wise choice to not have that type of item be your first high end sale on there.
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 Posted 07/30/2013  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dolomite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'm sorry but I call complete BS on multiple counts.

In the April thread you claim that Engelhard had "horrorible quality control", specifically:

Quote: Posted by swrbxxx 04/08/2013 11:27 pm

Keep in mind the lack of the + could make it a error mis-strike, as engelhard had horrible quality control in the 70's and 80's

Swrbxxx what are you talking about? Give us some examples of this "horrible quality control" you reference. Post pictures. Back up your claim with some supportive evidence. I know old pour bars, Engelhard in particular. For you to make such a claim indeed caught my attention in April when this thread first arose. I said nothing but your recent postings have provided cause to call your claims to question. Your lack of knowledge regarding the non-plus variety of 4oz old pours is unforgivable given your claims of expertise. I have several non-plus bars in my collection and they are the most sought after variety of any early old pour Engelhard bar. And you pollute this collector community by claiming it a production error?

Why do you think Engelhard remains sought by strong collectors today, more than a quarter century after their last piece produced? Because of "horrible quality control" during their most prolific production period? They remain The Standard in bar production. For you to suggest otherwise is blasphemous.

Another I have for you:

Quote: Posted by swrbxxx 04/08/2013 11:27 pm

If you can post some of the top, back and how thick it is.

Swrb, why don't you post the micrometer measurements you have taken of the multiple 4oz varieties Engelhard produced since the early 1970's from all countries of origin? I am all ears to hear what kind of research you have performed on mold dimensions and period casting characteristics.

And this brings us to your most recent absurdities regarding current auction:

Quote by swrbxxx Posted Today 8 Hrs 16 Min ago:

same style as the 4 oz listed.
With the exception it is an employee bar. So its in a presentation case.

About.ag will get none of my pictures as I am in the process of putting together my own site. With accurate information on JM and Engelhard bars. Including pictures of bars never seen before. Such as the engelhard poured test bar.

Prove it. Post a picture. Do you know for what purpose these 4oz varieties were produced? First clue: not for employees and presentation cases. Do you know what quantities private orders were required to meet and what the period fabrication charge was per bar?

Shut me up and post a picture of your 4oz Serial #00002 bar with presentation case.

Last one I have for you:

Quote by swrbxxx Posted Today 14 Hrs 11 Min ago

One of the high bidders is a steady client of mine, I don't think you will have any worries a out getting paid when it comes to this item.

Well, swrb, I know both of these current bidders personally. I know their names and where they live. I know how many and what kind of pets they have. And know for a fact neither have purchased ANYTHING from you via ebay.

Here is the link to all of your feedback with full buyer code display:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=AllFeedback

Show me where either of them purchased from you. There is no feedback code that matches (3335 *) or (1794 *) anywhere in your feedback profile. There is no "regular buyer" just more jabber of self-importance and untruthfulness.

I regret not bringing more to this forum in my early postings but hopefully setting the truth straight will be of some value for community members.

These recent commentaries have exhausted my tolerance and patience. Thank you (most) all for the great resource here at coin community and allowing me to speak my mind. While I may be out of character with such a post, sometimes it is incumbent upon a collector to bring forth the truth. Do not be duped.

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 Posted 07/30/2013  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PawnS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well, swrb, I know both of these current bidders personally. I know their names and where they live. I know how many and what kind of pets they have. And know for a fact neither have purchased ANYTHING from you via ebay.

Here is the link to all of your feedback with full buyer code display:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=AllFeedback

Show me where either of them purchased from you. There is no feedback code that matches (3335 *) or (1794 *) anywhere in your feedback profile. There is no "regular buyer" just more jabber of self-importance and untruthfulness.


If feedback were mandatory that would make sense, but since it's not, it just makes you look dumb.
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 Posted 07/31/2013  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gofindtreasure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!
Dolomite ,
welcome to the forum!

I appreciate all of your support.
But there is no point in fueling fires.
And I have done my best to keep my cool with all of the comments on here.
Just sticking to facts.

Over all I have nothing to prove....
and I am not out to compete with anyone.

I'm doing my thing and people are welcome to do theirs.
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 Posted 07/31/2013  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dolomite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Chris.

I trust Edwin will perform very well for you on this auction and wish you best luck. Your bar has been the talk of the collector community and plenty of popcorn has been readied!

Cheers.

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 Posted 07/31/2013  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gofindtreasure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am happy to have been the owner of such a rare bar ,
it is fantastic that it has survived.
But I am even more happy to watch this unfold.

I have my popcorn ready too.

And some sandals for Hawaii this winter :-)
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 Posted 07/31/2013  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"And some sandals for Hawaii this winter :-)"

I would take that profit cheddar and buy two Reverse proof buffalos, but that is just me lol....

Not one thing wrong with adding life experiences either as they say, you only live once, we think lol....
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07/31/2013 01:02 am
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 Posted 07/31/2013  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gofindtreasure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate your words Silverhawk ,
I was thinking
5 x 10oz ag
1 x me on a nice beach sipping drinks while my place is covered in snow in January
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 Posted 07/31/2013  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvernewbie79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you absolutely certain that it is not counterfeit? It's kind of like an 1893 S, most of the people I know won't touch one un slabbed do to the shear number of counterfeits. Now with bars I have no idea who could authenticate it for you but I would be careful not to spend the profit to fast just in case it is a chinese counterfeit.

As for Brian I can tell you he does have an extensive bar collection though he is a bit over the top when it comes to prices, specially diamond earrings ;)
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 Posted 07/31/2013  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gofindtreasure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear silver newbie

No offense intended but it is nothing like the overly faked coin that you have referenced.
This bar is completely different

Show me another one....

Why hate on this beautiful bar.







A Chinese counterfeit...you are too funny sir.

You should go back and read the previous thread from a few months ago.



One day you will get to hold the real thing

I am tired of the skepticism and the comments.

Just trying to sell my bar.

If you don`t support it or believe it
well
I can`t change that.

I stand behind what I sell as authentic and true and always will.

I will not be responding to any more comments that shine a negative light on the auction.

Thanks to all for reading , and sharing in this adventure.
Edited by Gofindtreasure
07/31/2013 04:20 am
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 Posted 07/31/2013  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He was just asking a question he didnt accuse you of anything........
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