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Here are three 2 reales of Phillip V, dated 1723, 1724, and 1725, naming him as King of Spain. They are followed by three 2 reales of Louis I, all dated 1724, naming HIM as King of Spain.
How can that be?       Bill
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Louis the 1st was king of spain from January the 15th till August the 31th 1724. He was the son of Felipe V. Felipe V abdicated in favor of his son, who was young and not prepared to reign. Over this, he died of a smallpox - his father took back his throne. Simple, no ? :D You can get more complicated stuffs with new world coins : the informations took time to arrive, so you have more dates than 1724 there for Louis I. Here is one from 1727 in Potosi (partial VIS for LUIS on the right of the cross - near the essayer Y) :   Edited by MathieuMa
08/03/2013 02:58 am
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Exceptional cob for the time period MathieuMa. This is the first example I've seen where part of Luis shows at the rim.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Bill, your 1725 pistareen is a contemporary counterfeit... :->
What's really tough to find, btw... a 1725 dated LUIS pistareen (I think one mint issued one?). You never see them - always 1724.
RE: the lag in relaying info to the New World - I believe the only New World 1724-dated pieces that bore LUIS's name were Mexico issues... all Lima and Potosi 1724 are in Philip's name (not sure off-hand about Colombia).
Mathieu, I'm sure you know this and it was a typo, but that is of course a Potosi mint piece, not Lima. For the 8R, Lima is only confirmed as being LUIS for 1725... For 1726 - some people say Luis, some say Philip, some seem to indicate maybe both names were used with that date. It's VERY hard to be certain b/c virtually none of the Lima 8R of this period show any legend to verify which. I've meant to ask Sedwick about his knowledge on this... he never seems to attribute 1726 Lima 8R to Luis in auction listings. 1727 Lima is universally stated to be only Philip.
I've perused the Spain forums where this was discussed somewhat... was amused where that one guy stated declaratively that the 1726 half real for Lima was Luis because Calico's book (I think Calico, not Cayon) indicated it was... showing his 1726 with clear PHILIP monogram piece as further evidence of this.
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thq : that one was not cheap, and is one of my favourite :) It came from an ha.com auction a couple of years ago. Indeed, partial name, almost 3 complete dates ... Now that you mention it realeswatcher, I suppose I know the site and the person you mention ;) (if it's what I think, I've already have some harsh discussion with him ... about genuine coins or not genuine, attributions, and so on ...) I actually have a coin similar to the one you mention, maybe it was even that one :   PS : indeed, fixed the mint for my cob ;) The 1 and 2 reales cob I own are also from Potosi (still looking for 1/2 and 4 reales). Edited by MathieuMa
08/03/2013 08:42 am
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Dealing with ha is not cheap, especially with several bidders interested in a quality coin. I have a similar 1/2 real Luis monogram, Lima I believe. I love the monograms, which usually strike well on otherwise messy coins.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Thanks realeswatcher, for noting that the 1725 is a fake. I remember buying it because of the retrograde "5" in the date, not to be part of my regular group of Spanish pieces. The idea that it was a counterfeit hadn't popped into my head!  Edited by BillSnyder
08/03/2013 2:52 pm
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Bill - lots of CC pistareens out there, of course... yours has nice funky/crude detail.
THQ - if you have a similar monogram to the one Mathieu is showing, you have Philip, not Luis... that was what I was getting at
Mathieu - Said Spaniard does post some nice pieces... and IS fairly knowledgeable for the most part. Nevertheless, he seems to sometimes matter-of-factly declare an 100% correct attribution for cobs in some cases where he is quite simply wrong.
Your 8R is quite nice, BTW. I like the crisp peripheral "27" date. Be patient with the Luis Potosi half-real... they're not incredibly common, but they're around. The Lima issue is scarcer, I find, even if you compare it (1725 only) against just the 1725 date of the Potosi Luis 1/2R issues.
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Edited by BillSnyder
11/29/2013 11:16 am
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Considering the coin's design (crown for exampel), frankly ... you guess what I think about it.
I'll check my Calico tonight to see what's under number 990.
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