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'1747' Machin's Mills Halfpence- Newp

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Vlack 1-47A

This is the toughest coin in the Machin's Mills series.
All specimens are pretty elusive so when I saw this one, the seller and I negotiated what I thought was a fair price.
VG Details struck on a slightly granular planchet.

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Very nice find! Its in way better shape than mine is. Congrats!!

I bet I got a better price though. Lol I dont have pics, but you can see it in season 36 round 5 of GTP. Let me see if I can find a link.

https://goccf.com/t/148468&whichpage=15

Its about half way down the page. The machins mills is a great series, lots of history with these coins.
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The only left facing Machins if I remember correctly. Surfaces are not too bad either. Primo score!
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That's a nice coin! Any Vlack 1-47A is a nice find :-)

Correct Vinnie. Only George II in the series. R5
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Particularly well-struck; a fine example. So where does the consensus currently stand on who actually made this coin? Atlee? Mould? Bailey and Brasher? I don't think it's still felt to have been made at Machins Mills, is it?
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Charles Bushnell while researching documents in the 1850's on the Machin's Mills operation came upon evidence that it was James F. Atlee who indeed created the dies for this coin however, he was not the principal.
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Interesting reading on Atlee (James). http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...e.intro.html Nice incorporation of our own Colonialjohn (John Lorenzo's) work!
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If anyone has a copy of The Colonial Newsletter, pages 966-979, it sounds like Gary Trudgen argued that Atlee could no longer be credited with Vlack 1-47A.
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That would be issue #75. I have it if anyone wants to see it.
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Hate to sponge off your TCNs again, Conder! Maybe you could just sum up the conclusions about this variety for the thread, or email it to me and I'll do it.
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Great coin vermontensium! Thanks for sharing it is a really neat piece!
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Thank you!
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Thanks again to Conder101 for supplying another Colonial Newsletter article! Not sure how much Gary Trudgen's opinions, or the conclusions of his data, may have changed in the past 25 years, but in this article, he links the 47A reverse to the "Machins" 87A by date punches, and thus the Vlack 1-47A to the 17-87A, 17-87B, and 17-87E. He feels these were the last four halfpence James Atlee made before starting at Machins Mills, where the paint had yet to dry. What's more exciting though (unless the science of punch linkages has been completely discredited by now), are the other coins that seem to have been fashioned by the same tools that made this coin. One in particular...

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Cool but again, nobody knows conclusively..unless we can go back in time.
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All I have to do to go back in time is look at the coins you post here. Thanks again for sharing them.
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