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I received what is described as a billon denarius and find the info online a bit confusing.

Would you suggest short soaks in lemon juice? Scrubbing with baking soda?

I also received an unidentified silver denarius, not sure what it is, very dirty, looks silver but doesn't feel like either the billon or the other denarius. Would you treat as billon until you could determine otherwise?

No pics, have to do housework first
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Well, its been recommended to use diluted acetic acid (glacial vinegar). Short dips, a wash, a poke at if theres any dirt. I've seena video of a guy clean a fully centered and sharp quietus denarius like that, so it must be good. Takes a while though.
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 Posted 08/06/2013  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is glacial vinegar?
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Its the american name for white vinegar, or the chemical name for white vinegar prepared stochiometrically. The crystal clear vinegar, basically.

White wine vinegar will probably do the trick, but Id steer clear of malt vinegar.
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Ah, got some of that. Thanks
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I have always favored acetone over vinegar, it tends to be gentler, but either should do the job. Just be careful you don't over clean the coin. Sometimes Billon is not as homogenous as one would hope and you could end up with different colored and or blotchy surfaces. If the coin is a nice even grey you should be fine, if you can see obvious flecks and swirls of other colors you might as well leave it be. You also have to be careful that the coin is not Potin, consisting of Zinc,Lead,Tin and sometimes Nickel, you could wind up with something that looks rather distasteful, pitted and discolored.
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Maybe this link will help! http://www.kersh.com/coin_cleaning.php
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AN - interesting you should say that. I assume that he's trying to make it shiny and silvery, not just clean the muck. But, using acetone would do about the same - the copper in billon photocatalyses the acetone into Acetic Acid. Its slow and takes quite a while, but its a very gentle approach.
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Oh I'm sorry! I have used ammmonia, just a dip of 10sec, touthbrush and cleaing if with water afterwards...it really helped to clean just some black spots on the surface without ruining the coin/removing entire patina
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When you get pics, we can give a decent answer.
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Done my best with the photos

First is Julia and is supposed to be billon
I have not tried to clean her yet.

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The second one is supposed to be an unknown silver denarius.
I tried to polish the highlights to try and read the legend, not very successful, still don't know who he is.

This one I did a 30 second dip in white vinegar and scrubbed with a toothbrush. The surface dirt came off and I left it for a few hours in DW.

It looks as though the surface is flaking. There is brown toning which could be tarnish, if you scratch it it is silver colour underneath.

Where the top surface has gone, the underneath is a white/silvery colour, but more white than silver and it looks slightly porus. Can't get in close enough for a pic.

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I think they would be round to take their card back!
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