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How Do We Fight Conterfeit Coins When They Come Certified?

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 Posted 08/10/2013  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Nice thread

Knowledge is key.. Counterfeit proper alloy coins need numismatic markers and experts.to sort

good weight, size , color are becoming the new normal.
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"Product Quality Act of the People's Republic of China". Link:(nice) As I read it, means no more sloppy products only the best copy's allowed!

Off metal counterfeits can be sorted through a plastic slab. Using TFDwall tm under $900.00 Made in USA.
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08/10/2013 01:57 am
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I'm sure most of you have seen these images before but for new members here is an older thread

https://goccf.com/t/139716

and here are some images from a counterfeiting factory

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=40530




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 Posted 08/10/2013  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And a couple of articles on counterfeit slabs

http://coins.about.com/od/coingradi...Diagnostics/

And one on a grading company pulling fake slabs - apparently 1,000's per year

http://www.coinnews.net/2012/07/08/...-collection/
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Well the Silver Maple Leafs are obviously fake, they aren't covered in milk spots!
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 Posted 08/12/2013  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inward to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is nice to be able to get a copy of a rare coin to fill a hole in your collection, but they should have the word 'copy' stamped on it at least.

All I know is I won't bother buying any new silver coins from the RCM after seeing all of the counterfeits on that website....
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put a picture of a rare coin in your collection not a counterfeit
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I never expect perfection when making sets because I know it is unlikely to get that kind of perfection (high grade, all rare varieties, all dates). Making this rule would fight off some unwanted vanity and such.
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With any luck something like this will be invented for coins.

(copied from Gizmag)

New technique identifies counterfeit collectible stamps

By Ben Coxworth

August 16, 2013


Here's good news for all you philatelists out there - " scientists have discovered an easier new way of detecting counterfeit rare stamps. Unlike some existing methods, it doesn't require the destruction of any part of the stamp, and can be done quickly by anyone who has access to the necessary equipment.

First of all, it's probably news to some people that there even are such thing as counterfeit stamps. Considering that some of the world's most valuable stamps are worth several million dollars, however, it becomes easy to see why some unscrupulous folks would look into cranking out their own convincing copies.

Traditionally, the authenticity of rare stamps has been verified by destructively analyzing individual components of them (such as a sample of the ink), or through inspections performed by highly sought-after experts.

A team from Italy's Università del Salento instead tried using a technique known as infrared spectroscopy. Putting it simply, IR spectroscopy involves subjecting a sample of material to a beam of infrared light, and studying how that material absorbs the light. Because known molecules absorb IR light at specific frequencies, the presence of those molecules can be inferred when light transmitted at that frequency is absorbed.
A rare 1961 Gronchi Rosa stamp, and a copy which was detected using the new technique

A rare 1961 Gronchi Rosa stamp, and a copy which was detected using the new technique

The researchers took a wide variety of Italian stamps (dating as far back as 1850) that were known to be authentic, and used the technique to produce a profile of each stamp's components - " these components included its paper fibers, fillers, inks, adhesives and coatings. Other stamps were then also analyzed, to see if they matched up with the profiles of the authentic stamps that they claimed to be. Out of 180 stamps tested, the IR spectroscopy technique detected two fakes.

According to the scientists, the process is simple, precise and immediate. A paper on their research was recently published in the journal Analytical Chemistry.

Source: American Chemical Society

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ac401067r
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 Posted 08/17/2013  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thats cool...until china gets a hold of this machine and copies all things that are the characteristics of the stamp itself
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Better armor, then better bullets then
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