How Do We Fight Conterfeit Coins When They Come Certified?

Edit: I swear I saw a listing with an image of the Mallard Ducks very similar to the linked site but I cannot find it.

Regardless, these copies and others like them are definitely already circulating. The RCM and Canadian government definitely need to throw some real money at this fake money problem!

Wow.... PCGS counterfeits galore... and they have the security holograms... the full meal deal. The plastic holder is detailed, you can see even see the PCGS logo on the bottom right of the holder!

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/gro...1580472.html

The Chinese government tolerate these exported fakes (watches, CD's and rare world coins etc.) because there are no real penalties for them.

Hit them with huge tariffs on everything and you'd think that they would put a stop to it.

Most of the world has set standards but at this point China does not abide by established world standards.

If they suddenly can't move their many regular exports, then they would quickly put a stop to the few cheaters in their country.

I'm surprised that these many fakes haven't been stopped yet...Who hasn't heard of the fake Rolex's for decades now.

On the world economy, it's probably being treated as "small peanuts" and not worth bothering over, but for us,..it's slaps us right in our face.....

the answer to free shipping is simple..The Government pays for all shipping ... The seller simply mails the product and the Gov. pics up the tab... Its a great way to flood the market with your products.

Dont forget at 3.00 a piece it likely costs them pennies to mass produce them, so a nice profit for sure....

Now if ebay would cancel all those types of listings it might help in the fight, with no market place to sell them to the masses , they might give up

This kind of behaviour is endemic to China. If something can be faked or copied they have already done it or are working on how to do it. A friend of mine who grew up in India told me about how a group of local weavers were run out of business when the market was flooded with mass produced Chinese textiles. The hand-woven garments are very expensive so everyone started buying the much cheaper Chinese products produced in factories. The knock-offs appear basically identical and the people just wanted the look of the expensive clothing without the cost.

This has been going on a very long time and I think there is likely way too much money and politics involved for anything to change in the near future.

ebay is certainly a big marketplace for coins - but the vast majority of those "valuable coins" will never go anywhere near it. Some of the big auction houses have been caught out with fakes before as well (I'm thinking mostly ancients here as that's the area I know best for fakes). They duck and dive but they will mostly acknowledge their error if cornered and reimburse the buyer if there error is proved. This is partly why the fees are so high for them.

i realize that most fakes can be identified by material weight craftsmanship etc.. but china is getting better , all they need to do is make the coins the right metal, weight, and identical features so it will be virtually impossible to detect (and I'm sure they are doing that now) and once these hit the market in full volume then we are in trouble,
take the 1948 silver dollar,, mintage I think is 18,780 what happens when that number is now 6 million and no way to tell the fake from the real one,, do you think you can still sell yours for $1000?

how do we link this thread to the american forum? maybe the more people that are aware of this problem the more we can do something