Best 2013 Gold Sleeper Coin

yup7676,

Why uncirculated over proof? I may just be wrapping myself around the axle with the question but also trying to understand the PM correlation between low mintage sleeper proof and uncirculated.

How much numismatic value would one expect to receive with a proof coin vs an uncirculated if both are low mintage with sleeper being the variable.

I'm not sure I'm even asking the the question correctly but at what point does the "sleeper low mintage" value overtake the uncirculated vs proof value.

Based on the facts provided if you get the gist of my question, What does numismatics history tell us about sleeper vs low mintage vs proof vs uncirculated?

I think I just said the same thing three times but I thinks it's an important fact / theory / concept to understand in collecting at least for a noob like me.

I'm going with the regular 2013 Buffalo proof. Demand probably will be there as collectors "discover" RP. If they can't spring for that coin or if they can, they will either settle for the regular proof or want it to compare with the RP. And it looks to be a low mintage coin this year as well. There will be pressure on this date to break out of the herd of Buffaloes just like the 2008 coins. The 100th anniversary date doesn't hurt it either. The collector AGEs are just unfortunately been too long a series without any changes, so this year's offering including the Unc. 1 oz., doesn't feel any different from past 4 years since the UHR.

I'd go with the regular proof Buffalo as well. Unless it starts to sell more, it will be the lower volume seller in the series. The RP won't qualify as sleeper because it is selling to well, and will be popular beyond this year.

jack - the FS coins may end up as sleepers eventually. The fact is there is little interest in them in general that they just don't seem like great buys to hold - hoping they grow in popularity.

Why is it impossible to find a graded 2013 proof buffalo? They have been out since May. The RP are already selling and they don't even have them yet. Has anyone seen a regular proof Buffalo in PCGS 70? What was the price?

Thanks. I looked under perfect 70's and they are not listed. I then went under just Buffalos and found them. Hard to believe they are almost $200 more then the RP.

hmmm somehow I forgot all about this thread!

See, my thought is this, two things actually. Mind you I am not experinced in the hows and whys of coin prices but I do see some interesting trends-

1- coins that have high prices usually go higher in price

2- coins with lower mintages, that actually end up having much lower sales than their low mintages.

After sometime of observing and thinking.... I think

1- low mintage is NOT a big key indicator in every single case.

2- Cycles come and go. There is clear rotation in interests of coin collectors and that is why we see some prices swing.

3- Theres ALWAYS the main stay coins that stay idle or flat in price.

So, to me, the big key indicator of where a coin is going in the future is its price action.

These are my thoughts only, I do think tho, when the US Mint offers a product tho, and it has a limited one time offer, such as the silver eagle sets they have done, those are the type coins you want to speculate.

Outside of that, I do think that over time, the mainstay proof silver and gold eagles will gain value over the long haul. Those are like your old standby stodgy blue chip stocks.

Anyways,, thats my thoughts and rambles. I thnk if I had the time, I would LOVE to speculate on coins from the US Mint, I think I would do really well.

The mintage scan be found on the Mint's website under the heading of About, then Production Sales Figures. It appears that the regular buffalo proof coin is now sold out with a very mintage.