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Hi. I bought a 1878 uncirculated Morgan dollar on ebay from an established seller. I weighed it and it was .06 gram more than the few others I had. The ones I had were in the 26.73 - 26.75 range. Because I'm new to Morgans I asked the seller if this was normal. He said that if my other coins were circulated than the Morgan is about perfect. Is this a normal range in weight that I can expect with Morgans? If I buy any more (from established sellers) on ebay is it "bad form" to ask the seller if he/she weighed it? Thanks for any info.
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I don't think I'd worry much about 0.06g. Although the Mint had pretty accurate weighing equipment during that era, their practice was to get the weight right on $1000 bags, combining "light" and "heavy" coins to reach that goal, rather than individual coins. Errors in weight which weren't egregious (and 4 tenths of one percent isn't an egregious error) were useful for evening out bag weights.
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I agree with SsuperDdave and will note: Unless your uncirculated Morgan weighs OVER 26.80 grams, there is no concern.
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BH1964, why over 26.80? Actually it shows around 26.80. Thanks.
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BH1964, why over 26.80? Actually it shows around 26.80. Thanks.


That's about the point where you start considering an off-weight counterfeit as a possibility. At, say, 26.9g I'm figuring a fake is more likely than a heavy real one.
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Yep, If you're right at 26.80g there are no worries unless the coin looks odd.

If you're over 26.80g, then I'd look for other problems. 1878 is a common date, there is a low chance you'll have a problem. Particularly if it's a sub-$50 coin.
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Hey, I'm sittin' around the campfire here. I've been buying Morgans and Peace $'s since 1968 and I've never and I mean never weighed them after a purchase... jeffnash, my question to you is why you would weigh a coin you purchased, considering there are variables in coins weights, and not trust your judgment on coin appearance, i.e. luster, strike, common details, etc.? I'm not trying to antagonize you I'm just curious.
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1893S, given their (relatively) huge weight, the Mint's ability to weigh precisely and the commonality of counterfeited Morgans, weight becomes a useful tool for diagnosing fakes when one is aware of how the Mint did things.

The tolerance for individual Morgan planchets was +/- 1.5 grains on the "standard" weight of 412.5 grains. Or, roughly the "0.4%" I discussed earlier. Further, one would expect the Mint to hold a harder line on light planchets than heavy ones - light planchets being more likely to generate complaint than heavy ones - while still giving them the leeway to get the $1000 bag weight correct. The standard for such a bag was 853.75 Troy ounces with an allowable deviation of no more than 0.02oz, far stricter than the individual planchet tolerance.

With these numbers in mind, one can understand how very small weight irregularities can be a useful tool in Counterfeit Detection, at least for Mint State coins. I'd be very leery of one which was too light, and equally leery of a heavy one exceeding the standard we've discussed here.

And given the excellent quality of some counterfeits, there's no doubt that the majority of us who have gone through some significant quantity of Morgans in our time have inadvertently handled counterfeits good enough to deceive even a capable viewer. Weight is just another tool to minimize that possibility.
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Good question 1893s, after-all, I did buy it on ebay. Excellent seller, 100% feedback and a lot of it when it comes to selling coins. Coin looks good to me. I guess my problem was that I started to do a little reading about fake Morgans and the weight issue seems to be pretty big. Whether I keep it or give it to someone I'd like to feel certain that it's authentic. I am new at Morgans and wanted to get a few because I like to think about the history of them. I wanted to learn more about weight variance. Thanks for all the replies.
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Store owners or dealers can think what they want about me, but I bring a very small digital scale and a loupe with me when I am buying certain Morgans. I am here to tell you that I swore up and down certain coin was legit and then it weighed out at 19g or close to it. Saved me from a several hundred dollar mistake.
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I think if you are uncomfortable with the coin you should return it. I just recently received a counterfeit flying eagle off of ebay and luckily ebay agreed and gave me my money back. Can you post a picture of the coin or a link to the ebay ad so we can check this coin out?
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