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How To Bring Out Luster In A Coin

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I came across a really nice Wheat cent that I bought from a lot that I was planning on reselling. The problem is that it looks so much better in person than any picture I can get of it. I think it's because in person the luster shines from behind the beautiful toning really making it pop but in all the photos I take it looks flat.
I've never used this section of the forums before so I'm not sure what advice I'll get. I always just use a blackberry camera phone which works pretty well but my girlfriend has a nice digital one that she spent a few hundred dollars on. Though I tried to borrow it before on a toned dime and the colors came out worse than my blackberry.

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It's the yellow that really makes it great when seeing it in person, the luster turns it into the brightest, most beautiful golden yellow I have ever seen. And all the purples/ blues are highlighted but I just can't capture it with my camera. What do I do?
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More light?

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The key to getting the "in-hand" look is to take the pic in the exact same lighting and viewing situation you use for viewing, but since the camera can't see in stereo, the trick is to use only one eye. Find what looks best to you, then put the camera where your eye is and take the shot. The camera will give you EXACTLY what you are seeing. If you don't think the camera is reproducing the in-hand look, it's because you aren't presenting the in-hand look to the camera the same way you're viewing it. Unfortunately, many folks think of the in-hand look of the coin as including stereo view as well as multiple viewing angles as they rotate the coin around, and then they complain that the camera, which can only capture one single view of one single angle, doesn't show the coin well. I've seen a few folks do videos of their coins, or at least multiple-image animations, to try and show the movement of luster and subtle toning changes vs angle. This is cool, but a lot of work and still doesn't show the look of the coin in stereo as we see it in-hand...Ray
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@rmpspms Y'know, when you put it that way, it couldn't be more obvious, but it really isn't! Thank you.

@jgettings00 The third one seems to be best. Also, maybe in post, you could drop the saturation (to reduce the brightness of the toning) and play around with some other settings?
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I usually try very hard to find the best angle in hand, and take the photo from the exact same field of view as my eyes, but I guess I will try again with only one eye open. And perhaps try out other methods that would make it more precise.

I like the third one as well because it shows the most luster but the blues and purples are too yellow. Is it wrong to photoshop a coin for sale?
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Is it wrong to photoshop a coin for sale?


Not if the end result is closer to the actual look of the coin, IMO.
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If you rely on the image coming out of the camera, you'll never be satisfied. Post-processing (using Photoshop, DPP, ViewNX2, Lightroom, GIMP, whatever) is almost always required to give the best final result.

The camera image needs only to have a few key characteristics:

1) It should have no over-exposed areas. Exposure near saturation is OK, but if any area goes over then you should reduce the exposure
2) It should be fully in focus. You can't fix focus problems
3) It should have correct color, ie white balance vs the lighting used. White balance can be fixed later but it's much easier to fix it before you shoot
4) It should be lit "correctly" for the coin type. This differs by type of coin (Lincolns are different from Indians, etc)
5) It should be lit "correctly" for the surface finish of the coin. Bright BU require different lighting vs proofs, circulated coins, etc

If all the above are done well, then the image has solid "raw material" to work with. After that, post-processing is done to turn that raw material into a "finished product" that best represents the way the coin actually looks.
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Thanks rmp, I'll definitely use that advice
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Guide or website for macro photography preferably specifically for coins?

I found this photo forum and found 2 great tips from rmpsrpms. But I was hoping that someone knows of a website or guide of macro photography preferably specifically for coins? That would go deeper and more of an instructional step by step than what rmpsrpms provided- which is a great help already. For example: 4) it should be lit "correctly" for the coin type. This differs by type of coin (Lincolns are different from Indians, etc. 5) It should be lit "correctly" for the surface finish of the coin. Bright BU require different lighting vs proofs, circulated coins, etc.

I would really like to bring out the tone colors of my coins.

Thanks!
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You'll find all of those questions having been discussed repeatedly in this forum, because one size does not fit all regarding coin photography. I/we will be happy to answer all those questions, because we do it all the time. However, the answers will differ for differing imaging equipment.

This isn't a process which lends itself to generic answers. If you're already an accomplished photographer with an intimate understanding of the relationships between aperture, ISO and exposure, you'll get an entirely different answer than someone who wasn't familiar with those terms would. If you're shooting with a point-and-shoot, you'll get a different answer than someone using a dSLR.

If you want generic solutions, you'll get generic pictures.
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Going to start by reading about the relationships between aperture, ISO and exposure and see where that leads.

Thanks SsuperDdave

Where should I look for high-end macro lens point and shoot solutions? There are many general setting to choose from ie. P, TV, AV, M, A+, CA, and than pictures face, flower, runner...
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Do me a favor, and start yourself a dedicated thread so we can work with you personally for your individual needs. Do you already have a camera, or are you starting from scratch? If the latter, the first thing we need to do is outline your choices, including cost, so you can make decisions on gear that work for your personal desires. If the former, then we'll work at maximizing the results of the gear you have. That, rather than some generic guide, is how we prefer to do things here.
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The best place to start learning about the different camera modes is from your camera manual. If you don't have one you can probably get a copy online. When basic questions come up, Wikipedia or other source can help answer them. If you get stuck, or if your questions go beyond the basics, ask them here. You'll be up to speed quickly with the manual and yet it can only take you a little way down the path...Ray
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Maybe someone already suggested this, but actually holding the coin in your hands, is a turn off to many buyers. To me when I see a listing with someone holding the coin, especially when it is done improperly (not that you are holding it improperly), it makes me think the coin has not been treated well. Some ebay photos have dudes holding the coin and, due to the magnification, you can see dirt under their fingernail etc., it's just gross.

I'm still working on improving my technique, and improving representing luster is one area that I need to work on. It is difficult. This forum certainly has help me improve a lot!
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