An Example Of My "buy Now, Learn Later" Affliction

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ThisIsFun Pillar of the Community United States 2480 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 09:15 am Guess it was the lion, the smiley sun, and stars that grabbed my attention. Plus, isn't it somewhat uncommon to have animals on Islamic coins? I think I did OK on the price but it's hard to know at this early stage. Not sure what came over me. Maybe a recent thread and all of Anoob's obscure and interesting coins. Anyway, this very interesting coin is winging its way to me now. Pictures are modified from the seller. If the edges look odd its because this poor coin is entombed in a plastic prison and I tried to photoshop it out. Don't worry, I'll set it free as soon as it arrives. I suspect it will look better in hand and unhindered by scratched plastic. I did some comparison research prior to buying but WOW, the variations in spelling make it hard, plus I have no clue about reading Islamic coins. Did find a helpful website though... http://mehmeteti.150m.com/index.htm Some background on these people, from the above-cited website: Quote: Seljuqs of Rum is a branch of Great Seljuqs of Iran who are the Turks migrated from Central Asia. Following the battle and victory of Alp-Arslan at Manzikert (1071) , against Byzantine emperor Ramonus IV Diogenes, Seljuqs, step by step, took control of Anatolia (Asia Minor) (Rum: means Roma, Byzantine Empire). The dynasty of Seljuqs of Rum is established by Sulayman, the son of Qutalmish, in Iznik (Nicaea). Afterwards the capital moved to Konya. They lived their most glamorous time during the reign of Ala ad-Din Kay-Kubadh I. By this time Seljuqs of Rum emerged as one of the most important Muslim states of age. After Kay-Khusraw II was defeated by the Mongol commander Bayju at Köse Dag (1243), the Sultanate of Anatolian Seljuqs entered in a period of decline. But, nevertheless, the sovereignty survived till 1318, the reign of Qilich Arslan V. Following the demolition of the last Seljuq dynasty, the way was opened for Anatolian Beyliks to come to the stage. Here is the attribution, which seems to be correct although the spelling varies everywhere I look: Seljuqs (Seljuks) of Rum, Kusru II (Kaykhusraw II, Ghiyath al-Din Kai Khusrau II, Kay Khusrow II, etc) Silver Dirham (Dirhem) Konya Mint 1241-1242 A.D. (AH639) Obverse: Sun and Lion Reverse: uh, I'll have to get back to you on that. Edited by ThisIsFun 08/19/2013 09:17 am Report this Post to the Staff

Jimbo777 Valued Member United Kingdom 201 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 09:32 am One of the most attractive (and interesting) Islamic coins available in my opinion, very nice indeed. Report this Post to the Staff
harrison2 Pillar of the Community Mexico 1304 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 10:23 am Wow, that's a great looking coin. Know what size it is? Weight? Report this Post to the Staff
ThisIsFun Pillar of the Community United States 2480 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 10:32 am Should be ~3gm, ~22mm. When it arrives next week I'll weigh & measure it and take better pictures. Report this Post to the Staff
Ancientnoob Pillar of the Community United States 5155 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 11:01 am I have been in the market for one of these but they tend to get a bit pricey. It is uncommon to have "pictures" on Islamic coins, this one. This is a very interesting piece. Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 1:30 pm Wow! it's a beauty. I'd love to have one of these. Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4980 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 5:32 pm that's a beauty! i dig the islamic coins that do have pictures on them, I love the style.. here's the obverse of one of my only artuquid coin.. the story I heard (probably form someone here?) was that "base" coins can have pictures, but coins made of precious metals can not...is yours silver? Report this Post to the Staff
ThisIsFun Pillar of the Community United States 2480 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 5:36 pm I never would have guess that coin to be Islamic, Chris! Does the reverse just have ~~scribbling~~ script? My coin is silver, so I guess the 'pictures only on base metal coins' is myth. Report this Post to the Staff
chrsmat71 Pillar of the Community United States 4980 Posts	Posted 08/19/2013 5:41 pm yes it does, "5 lined kufic legend"... Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16869 Posts	Posted 08/20/2013 09:15 am ThisIsFun, you might find the comments in this thread with a similar coin of interest. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
ThisIsFun Pillar of the Community United States 2480 Posts	Posted 08/20/2013 11:13 am Thanks, Sap! Report this Post to the Staff
Masis Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 946 Posts	Posted 08/21/2013 12:28 pm A fine example! Years ago I was looking into this type, even learnt about the Seljuks in the process, writing up a family tree. http://understanding-our-past.blogs...seljuks.html The Lion seems to have been a Totemic symbol for the Seljuk clan when they were Pagan, and remained so even when they became Muslim. For example "Alp Arslan" for the Sultan Muhammad ibn Dawud. Arslan meaning Lion in Turkish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alp_Arslan The writer C.S. Lewis used the name "Aslan" for the Lion in his famous "Chronicles of Narnia" series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan The below picture has my rendering of the reverse of the Khusru II Dirham with a photo of a mosaic from Samarkand. "Shir Dar" means the Lion door. Edited by Masis 08/21/2013 5:16 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ThisIsFun Pillar of the Community United States 2480 Posts	Posted 08/21/2013 12:31 pm Wow, thank you so much for the information, Masis! Report this Post to the Staff
Masis Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 946 Posts	Posted 08/21/2013 5:17 pm I'm glad that doodle has some use finally! Report this Post to the Staff
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An Example Of My "Buy Now, Learn Later" Affliction