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Jefferson Nickel Struck Off-Center Ghosting

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 Posted 08/23/2013  6:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was working with some photos for ebay when I asked my Amy to tell me which one looked the best. She said she like the one I was working on with a drop shadow and then said "Why is there another image of Jefferson in the flat area?"

I looked at what she was talking about and I thought I saw it too, so I did an overlay and it matched! I have no idea of what would cause this, but the only way I could figure out how to ask you guys (and gals) was to animate the overlay.

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What could have happened to this planchet to have a ghost image of Jefferson and the letters match up in the flat area?

I don't think I'm going crazy, so what do you think? Do you see it as well? Anyone seen this kind of thing before?

I haven't checked the reverse yet, but I'll let you know if it looks the same.

Thanks!
Ben
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 Posted 08/23/2013  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure what's going on with that coin but the animation is great.

It the planchet is flat and smooth -- then the devices aren't there and it is just an illusion.
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It could be a very weak strike, but I don't know if I'm actually seeing anything or not. An original picture without the overlay of both the obverse and reverse will help out a lot in the diagnosis.
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 Posted 08/23/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A reverse image might help.
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Here are the photos of the obverse and reverse of the coin.
The field is not flat on either side, but you need to magnify the raised areas to see them.

The thing that stands out on the obverse is the slope of the forehead, eye, nose, chin, neck and the UST in TRUST.
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The reverse shows the triangle lines below the dome of the Monticello, the small half circle window, the rectangle next to the triangle and the left edge of the building. The right side of the triangle even breaks into the edge of the off-center strike.
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I'm working on an animation of the reverse to show the areas that match on the overlay, but my driver had a problem with Photoshop just as I was about to save it, so it'll have to wait till tomorrow.

I'm sure the images are there and NOT just in my head and the fact that Amy said Jefferson was in the flat area makes me glad she loves coins.

I still don't know how it happened, but I'm sure it did now. If I didn't have the new ring flash and Photoshop, --I-- Um, I mean Amy, would never have seen this.

More later and thanks for the questions, they helped and let me know if anyone knows of anything like this.

Ben
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 Posted 08/24/2013  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The areas on the obverse verse are two bag mark and imagination that makes it look like something when it really isn't there. If it were there the reverse would show the out line of the building. It not there on either side. Sorry.
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 Posted 08/24/2013  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop.

I was really hoping I'd found something cool. The profile of the face was so close, I thought it had to be real and once I saw that, everything just started popping up. *sigh*

I was working on one last animation, but I'm sure you're right. I even knew that this happens. People "See" things like the face on Mars. So I looked up the name for the phenomenon that causes this.

Wikipedia: Pareidolia (/pære¨ËˆdoÊŠlie™/ parr-i-DOH-lee-e™) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant, a form of apophenia. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse.

So I'll hang on to the coin and tell anyone who'll listen that the ghost of Jefferson is in the flat part of the planchet.

Now I have to wait until tonight to go out and look for that "Moon rabbit", while I play the Beatles White Album over and over backwards to find out if Paul is really dead.

Thanks again.
Ben
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 Posted 08/24/2013  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found a Memorial cent with an unhappy Lincoln face on it once.
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I tried rotating it and it only shows up with the light at 12:00. Must be some small scuff marks on it? LOL I was going through a lot of rolls at that time and this one was looking back at me.
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That looks like it may be a fake from China! They crossed Lincoln with a (un)Happy Cat for good luck... or it could be the (un)Happy Cat to bring you wealth. If he was waving, we would be sure.



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I saved it. But have shown the image many times.
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This has brought back memories. My family has a summer home and what used to be my room has knotty pine paneling. Oh! the faces and creatures that I saw on those walls in the dim light on a late summer's evening...it's a wonder I ever fell asleep.

Now the nieces and nephew have to deal with it.
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