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Does anyone know what this coin is? I have a similar example, however, the date is under the bust. On the back to the right of that column is an S. Thanks guys.

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 Posted 08/24/2013  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add plonker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like French deniers , the denomination is on either side of the column, off course here these are worn off.
http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/F...D_12_deniers

The one with S is a sol (s)
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Limoges. Weight would tell you which denomination, 12D in this condition would be about 11g. Here's one in a little better condition.
http://www.cgb.fr/louis-xvi-monarqu...83955,a.html
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Hi,

Thank you for that information. I actually have one that weighs exactly that, 11 grams. The one in question (with the S mark) actually weighs 24.7 grams - do you know what that would be - I saw the weight of a 2 sol piece and it said it was about a gram less... though I suppose it might not be exact?
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These coins are usually found in very poor condition. I have yet to find an example in better than Fine condition.
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The 2S you have is probably similar to this

http://www.cgb.fr/louis-xvi-monarqu...84450,a.html

Weight is supposed to be about 26g, but yours is probably genuine. The coins are highly variable in weight and color due to the metal coming from melted church bells. Scary times that got worse after Louis. The 1793-94 law tablet sols even look like tombstones. Here are 1S and 2S examples, which give an idea of the color variation, from coppery to gray-black.

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Yep, the one in the link - from what I can still make out on the coin matches exactly. :) Thanks for the help with identification guys - It's nice to have finally figured it out!
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Is there any particular reason one of these would be found in Pennsylvania? Seems like on odd coin to find floating around here - and I have found 2.
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I knew I had one of these, Just found this squirreled away in a box.
I just noticed that your coin has the date on the reverse and my coin has the date on the obverse.
Both 1792 coins



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What an interesting thread this has turned out to be. and made from old church bells? that is awesome. I may have to start a collection based on random finds of these... Here are the actual pictures of the coins I have. The one at the top of the thread was an example as it was more obvious what that was.



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Is there any particular reason one of these would be found in Pennsylvania? Seems like on odd coin to find floating around here - and I have found 2.


A 1 sol (aka 12 deniers) piece was not much larger than a (U.S.) large cent... Not crazy that they would have come over with some French immigrants and then passed in circulation as large cents.
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It was common for Spanish silver to circulate in the US, and Irish Hibernia pennies were dumped into the colonies to circulate as small change. I suppose French coins could have served the same function, but these sols are coined after the American Revolution and show at least 25 years of wear. They wouldn't have passed as money by the 1820's, either in the US or France.

The only reason I can think of for finding them in PA is as a source of scrap metal for brass/bronze foundries. If you had enough of them you could recast another bell.
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