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Here are my photos and the listing photo. What do you think the grade is and what should one have paid? What feedback should I leave for the seller on ebay? I think it is possibly VG-10-details (improperly cleaned). Also his 2x2 had his lunch spilled on it, just as a bonus. And no offense if the seller is a coin forum member     |
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United States
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Unless the I in liberty is visible, I would not call it a F but definitely a strong VG. IMHO lots of these have been cleaned and unless it is a bad job of it, it really does not bother me. I think your coin is a nice example for the grade.
I found the listing and the seller did not actually grade it. While putting the F+ on the 2x2 is a little misleading, the original pictures can be blown up so the details are easily seen. Technically, I am not sure how you would be able to leave negative feed back since the description does not say it is Fine. If it were me, I would leave the positive feedback as long as the rest of the terms of sale were honored.
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 United States
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There is to 'I' visible. Yes the seller made no claim of the grade, but I felt the "F+" was deceptive. Why leave the written on the 2x2?I did not spend a million bucks on it, but I guess I should have asked questions first. Thank you for your opinion.
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I agree it is slimy of the seller to do so. Sadly, he/she did not violate any rules. For me, if I don't see it in the pictures, even if it is in a TPG slab, I assume it is not there. It still is a nice coin for a strong VG grade, IMHO. |
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United States
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Kelly, I think your point sums up my feelings. For the price I'm not totally upset with the coin, but I feel like I don't want to perpetuate this guys business practice. I mean is it okay to write "1912-S" on the flip and sell the coin as a " Liberty nickel 1912 mintage"' when in fact it is a 1912-p, and its clear from enlarging the coin? At some point one must take responsibility for what is written in the picture. I sold some coins that has grades on the flips (from an old auction), but I took the coins out of the flips and took clear detailed pictures. I could not vouch for what was written on the flips and did not want to be deceptive. If they guy wrote "VG+ details, cleaned" not sure if I would have bought the coin. But if I did, I would have felt he was honest. |
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United States
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Well, grading is subjective. Whether or not the coin is a 1912 s or a 1912 p is a matter of fact. Not saying I agree with what the seller did because it looks intentional. Next, personally, I never ever ever even consider what another person grades a coin because their opinion is almost irrelevant to me. I grade it myself, then determine what I'm willing to pay. This goes for coin shows, shops, or ebay. I really don't mention if the coin has been over graded because that can sound accusatory if you disagree. Sellers know if they are overgrading or not (and it seems like they are more often than not). I just negotiate price to avoid awkward moments. All that being said, I would grade it a VG-10 and put a retail of around $20 on it. I don't see the evidence of cleaning even on your pics. The sellers pic was so small I would have asked for better pics or passed on the coin. |
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United States
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Now that I thought about it, I realized at the time it was over graded, I just never noted it down. I bought it with the idea that it would probably be VG. However I forgot to note that down, so when I was checking it out some weeks later, I was upset the grade did not match up with the initial grade.
Thanks for all the comments, they were helpful.
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United States
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A common ebay fine  ; the obverse is a VG, reverse is a F. Lib Nickels commonly grade different obverse/reverse  |
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United States
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Edited by Bababooey
08/29/2013 02:33 am
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United States
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I'm at VG10 it's not a bad coin overall, but the seller do that all the time on ebay, put a higher grade on the holder, make no mention of it. I've been following one seller for awhile now that sells mostly AU and cleaned coins, see the listings here [seller]10hans5961[/seller] (feedback speaks for itself), he mentions no grade but subconsciously I think people look more at the grade written on the holder than they do at the coins he sells. Some of them are pretty nice, but they always bring high dollar - way more than I'd pay anyways for the coins he has. I'm not saying he is a bad seller he does have some nice coins, but uses questionable tactics IMO. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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United States
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"IF PROBLEM WITH COIN CONTACT ME AND WE WILL WORK IT OUT. PLUS ANY RETURNS POSTAGE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED. "
West: I think that about sums it up.
It's a shame that those techniques work. When a photo is taken in a 2x2 it's harder to judge the coin, both due to the smaller size and the fact that there is a layer of plastic over it.
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