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Restored Smackdown III: My Empire! - Usurpers

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For those that are new the Smackdown, acts a contest (with no prize) or a venue to showcase coins from around the Ancient and Medieval world with a stated attribute and or commonality. Everyone is encourage to attempt an entry, and even those who cannot enter can and should vote, for your top 3 favorites.

Here are the rules

1) A maximum of two (2) coins per Member.
2) Entries can invoke any aspect of a contested throne-Be creative.
3) Coins after 1453 AD are not allowed.
4) Voting: vote for 3 coins in order of preference, Gold (3pts), Silver (2pts), Bronze (1pt).
5) Host announces the winner. Winner chooses next Smackdown Subject and is host.
6) You do not have to enter a coin to vote but please do try to enter something.
7) Base your votes on any criteria you like, eye appeal, rarity, quality, anything you like.
8) Final decision if two coins have the same score and the same number of golds and will be the host's choice.
9) Enjoy.

Entries Begin Immediately and Submission Ends @ 21:00hrs EST

Friday August 30, 2013, Voting will begin. Scores will be tabulated and announced on Sunday September 1, 2013, @ 21:00hrs EST.

Host examples: (Please do not vote for me)

The Western Kshatrapas
(The Western Satraps of India)
Isvaradatta, (Abhira intruder,unknown dynasty)
164-165 SE (242-243AD)
AR Karshapana as Mahaksatrapa
Chief Mint Mint B?
dated Year 1. or 164 SE or 242 AD
15.0 mm x 2.10 g
Obverse: Bust of Isvaradatta right wearing Satrapal Cap. date in Brahmi numerals regal Year 1 behind bust, Corrupt Greek Iinscription.
Reverse: Crescent on a three arched hill over a wavy line, crescent in the left field and sun in the right field, Brahmi inscription Rajno MaHaKsaTraPaSa ISvaRaDaTtaSa Varse PraThaMe(Of Raja Mahaksatrapa Isvaradatta, in the First Year)
ref:Fishman #24.2.1 pg.209

It is thought that this gentleman was a foreign invader who temporarily dethroned the reigning king Vijayasena, acting as supreme ruler for about 1 and a half years, until the throne was recovered by Vijayasena in 164/5 SE. His coins are dated in Saka Era, like all other things. (I have his coin but that's for a different thread)

All coins of Isvaradatta are very Rare but yr. 2 overstrikes are oober rare.

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LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!

EDIT: Fixed Photo- it appears darker on computers other than my own.
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I guess these two would fit this theme.



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heraclius with his son heraclius constantine (overthrew phocas)...

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and phocas (who overthrew maurice tiberius)..

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Oh nice coins guys keep' em coming!
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 Posted 08/26/2013  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wohoo my first smackdown!

Postumus AR Antonianius
Usurped power from Gallienus

Obv: IMP C POSTVMVS PF AVG
Rev:FIDES MILITVM Fides standing left holding two standards

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I may have another usurper kicking around but will have to look through my coins since I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Great coins so far guys ...

My entry is a coin of the usurper Macrianus. He was, thanks to his father (Macrianus major) given Imperial power in the east, along with his brother Quietus. This occurred after the Roman army was defeated at Edessa by the Sassanids and the emporer Valerian was captured by them. Valerian spent the rest of his days as a foot stall for Shapur and was eventually killed, one rumour has it that he was forced to swallow molten gold. His body was stuffed and put on display in a Persian temple.

Macrianus marched on the the legitmate western emporer Gallienus but was defeated in Autumn 261. He was eventually killed by his own soldiers at the request of his father who also asked to be killed so they would avoid delivery to Gallienus's general Aureolus.



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MACRIANUS. 260-261 AD. Antoninianus (23mm - 3.93 g). IMP C FVL MACRIANVS P F AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right / IOVI CONSERVATORI, Jupiter seated left, holding patera in right hand, scepter in left, eagle at feet; star in left field. RIC V 9; RSC 8a.

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HOLY COW! Fantastic, Jimbo!

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Thanks ThisIsFun, it's one of my favioret coins.
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It is gonna be tough for the competition to topple that usurper, Jimbo!

Ha you have come out as a strong contender and fan favorite, Kudos!
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Outstanding coin Jimbo!.
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Gimme a while and ill dig out a Carausius/Allectus pair to post!
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MAXIMINUS I (aka) THRAX


Whether you are considered a 'usurper' or the legitimate ruler often depends on how successful you are .....
And what much later writers have to say about it.

According to British Historian Edward Gibbon:

"He was conscious that his mean and barbarian origin, his savage appearance, and his total ignorance of the arts and institutions of civil life, formed a very unfavourable contrast with the amiable manners of the unhappy Alexander. He remembered that, in his humbler fortune, he had often waited before the doors of the haughty nobles of Rome, and had been denied admittance by the insolence of their slaves. He recollected too the friendship of a few who had relieved his poverty, and assisted his rising hopes. But those who had spurned, and those who had protected, the Thracian, were guilty of the same crime, the knowledge of his original obscurity. For this crime many were put to death; and by the execution of several of his benefactors Maximin published, in characters of blood, the indelible history of his baseness and ingratitude."

If Richard III had prevailed over Henry Tudor the tale of the sinister hunchback from York might read differently.
The Great Historian Edward Gibbon was the product of an extremely class conscious society. Who you were depended very much on where you came from ...... and 'upstarts' in the end got what was coming to them. Thus he is quite willing to accept the worst about Maximinus ...... after all he was a barbarian.

While the Emperor Macrinus had siezed power in a military 'coup' against the Severan dynasty and had hailed from the Berbers of Mauretania he had also an advanced education and could claim to be from the equestrian class.
Maximin had neither a formal education nor any claim to belong to a family of any importance. In fact according to the (unreliable) Augustan History he had a "Goth" father and an "Alan" mother. While some discount the presence of Goths in Thrace at this time the likelihood of Goths serving in the eastern legions seems fairly reasonable.
While his birth may have been obscure of one thing I am all but certain. He shows all the attributes of having 'suffered' from a condition known as 'giantism' or acromegaly. Early coins of Maximin show a reasonably good looking fellow who had risen through the ranks of the Roman Army and eventually deposed the Emperor Severus Alexander and permanently ended the Severan Dynasty. Later portraits show a frightening profile of a man who gained an unrivaled reputation as a savage and fierce ruler. Accounts claim he was over eight feet tall and strong enough in his younger days to actually lift an ox with his shoulders. I believe one reason for the discrepancy might be that at the start of his reign younger busts of the new Emperor were delivered to the various parts of the Empire which had been produced many years earlier. The later portraits of the fifty something emperor are startling. They must have been no less so to the Roman Senate. Their hatred for the Emperor was implacable and the Senatorial conspiracies were against him were several.
For the above reasons I place Maximinus as the first real "true" usurper. He wasn't one of 'them' and they hated him for it. The 'title' of Thrax was not one of endearment.
I do feel some sympathy for the first of the 'tyrants'. He may have been a misunderstood fellow who was not at all comfortable in the role of Emperor and quite out of place in 'polite society'. He was very much a military man and was famous as a Commander of Legions. Not as a politician. No one ever doubted his talents on the battlefield.


Nor do I suppose did anyone ever demand to see his birth certificate.


Maximinus I AE Sestertius
Obv Maximinus laureate draped bust right
MAXIMINVS PIVS AVG GERM
Rv VICTORIA GERMANICA Victory holding wreath with German captive at feet
Sear 8341 29-30mm 20.85 grams

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I find this coin interesting for its use of the word GERMANICA. The different and individual tribes across the Rhine were beginning to be viewed as one foe,the 'Germans' or as some Roman authors called them "Allemanni". A term which survives to this day in both French and Spanish.




Maximinus I AE Sestertius
Obv. Maximinus laureate draped bust right
MAXIMINVS PIVS AVG GERM
Rv. PAX AVGVSTI Pax standing left holding scepter and olive branch
Sear 8332 30-32mm 21.17 grams


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WOW, big entries from the big guys The Supreme Eng and Furius Rufus! Well played gentleman and great entries!
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Eng, Claudius didn't usurp Caligula...

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To some extent he did Caligula was killed by the guards and intern the guards were paid off to proclaim Claudius as emperor. In a nutshell.
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Caligula was killed by his Praetorian Guards, who then found Claudius hiding behind a curtain, certain he was going to be killed after him.

The Praetorians then took Claudius to their camp where they declared him Emperor.
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