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Interesting 1863 IHC Error

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I was cruising ebay the other day with the goal of finding a nice penny from the Civil War/Abe Lincoln era. I came across this one, and while it isn't the nicest penny, it was interesting to me and I wanted it!

Initally, the obverse piqued my interest due to the off-center strike. Not a huge deal, but pretty cool.
1863 Obverse

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Then I saw the reverse:

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What the heck is going on here? It almost looks like a line of solder is holding this penny together. Seller claims that it's a die clash.

Either way I think it's a neat coin and I'm glad that it'll soon be in my collection!
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 Posted 09/03/2013  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet coin ! Looks like a die crack to me.
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it certainly is interesting, I like it. Has the auction ended? If so, for how much?
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Obverse is affected by misaligned dies(MAD), reverse has a rim-to-rim die crack that most likely turned into a retained die break/cud after a few more strikes.
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What is that above the 3?
Agree with 52Raymo nice worn die crack.IMHO
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Thanks for the replies!


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Has the auction ended? If so, for how much?


Yep...the auction already ended. I paid $30 for the coin. Yeah, I'm sure I overpaid a little but in the end, I like the coin.


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What is that above the 3?

Not sure if it's a strike error or damage caused while in circulation. I don't have in hand just yet, but when I do I'll try to let y'all know.
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Noting the fact that the crack extends completely through the denticles at both ends, and the thickness of the exposed crack, this one's probably already a Retained Cud. That part of the die is almost certainly no longer connected to the rest.
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...this one's probably already a Retained Cud. That part of the die is almost certainly no longer connected to the rest.


Forgive my ignorance. Does that mean the die itself has been struck into the coin and is now part of the coin?
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Afterimage...here is an article by Mike Diamond that explains Retained Cuds very well. http://www.coinworld.com/articles/v...s-leave-room
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Afterimage...here is an article by Mike Diamond that explains Retained Cuds very well.

Thanks! I get it now!

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what bio said.
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