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Question About The Book With Large Cent By Newcomb

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/United-Stat...em4d106274d4

Hello please advise me if this book from the link is suitable to determine their numbers for newcomb cents of that period, or if you know of another place where can buy a suitable book with pictures that can be paid with PayPal and send by registered mail? Thank you!
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 Posted 09/07/2013  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say that is too much for a copy of Newcomb. They've come down since the Wright and Noyes books came out. What you want for the middle dates is The Cent Book by John Wright. Unfortunately there are no copies on ebay at the moment. The is one on Amazon for $80 but that wouldn't be paypal. Shipping it Registered may be a bit of a problem too because most sellers probably wouldn't want to go to the trouble to do so. And that would just cover the middle dates. For the late dates you need John Grellmans book US Cents 1840 - 1857. Your best shot on that one is buying directly from the author ($100 postpaid but that isn't for sending it registered), but once again I don't think you can use paypal.

The Newcomb book well let you attribute most of the middle dates without too much trouble. Don't expect much help from any pictures in it (not all editions have plates) If you do want to go with Newcomb this might be a better auction
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-COIN-BOO...80679930341&

It has the Newcomb book (Which in my opinion is about a 30-40 dollar book, but it also has a copy of Penny Whimsey (looks like a 1958 or 65 edition) that will cover the early date cents, and it also has a copy of the Breen Half Cent encyclopedia which is a fantastic book that covers all of the Half Cents. It is a well bound book with glossy coated pages, large images, and tons of information. It's worth $60 by itself. You can see part of the inside of the Breen book in the second picture. The third picture shows the variety diagnostics for the 1828 cent in the Newcomb book.
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 Posted 09/07/2013  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link and all information, unfortunately the seller does not post to my country (Bulgaria)...
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The Noyes book is the best you can get right now, I just sold a copy for $100.00 two days ago. I upgraded to a signed copy for my collection. There are a lot of Newcomb books available on line in the $20-$40 range try Abebooks.com or any of the bigger numismatic book dealers.
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 Posted 09/08/2013  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm putting together a set of Braided Hair large cents (1839-1857) so I bought Grellman's book, U. S. CENTS 1840-1857.
It is cross referenced to all the Newcomb numbers.
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Grellman's book is newer and more current, though nothing I've found yet compares to the Noyes book set. His photos are simply amazing. That said I too have Grellman's book also as one can't have enough reference books, especially on EACs!
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But do the Noyes photos actually show the tiny (and often faint) diagnostics needed to attribute the late dates?
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But do the Noyes photos actually show the tiny (and often faint) diagnostics needed to attribute the late dates?


Can't say I have only the middle date book, the late date book Volume 5 & 6 is now out, but I have mot purchased it. At $200.00+ it is pretty expensive. Also I'm missing the first 2 Noyes books cover 1793-1794 at $350.00 Eventually I will get them all, as I probably can't collect 1793-1794 cents I can at least collect the books!

However judging from the middle date book, the photos are large and very detailed.
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The Noyes 1795-94 and 1795-96 are the Condition Census listings (About the top 20 for each variety) not your normal variety reference books. Book 1 was the 1793-1814 variety book, book 2 was the 1816-1839 middle date variety book. Book 3 was the 1793-94 Condition Census, book 4 was the 1795-96 Condition census. Books 5 and 6 are 1816-1857 die variety references. I don't remember where he divides the two books but I do know it is NOT at the traditional dividing point between 1839 and 1840. So book 5 is basically a repeat of book 2 but I don't think it covers all the middle dates.

I think his images in book 1 were better than the images in book 2 (And I like the images in John Wrights middle date book better.) But I don't think either one would be good enough to show he fine details need to identify the diagnostic features in the late dates. Some day I'll have a chance to see book 6 and I'll know for sure.
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The split between books 5 and 6 is arbitrarily between 1845 and 1846, just to make both volumes the same size. Generally, the middle dates have one photo for each variety and extra photos for significant dies states. For late dates, there are additional cropped magnified photos showing significant identifying features.

Have to agree with Conder. The color photos are not as effective as the monochrome photos. They are composed if overlapping dots, so if you magnify them, all you see is a bunch of dots. Features like die scratches are difficult to see. For those, he does highlight the feature in red.

I mentioned to Bill that he should include a DVD with all the photos, but he wasn't too keen on the idea.
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 Posted 09/30/2013  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobo13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, friends, today received my Noyes book for 1816-1839 from the USA and I`m very happy :)
What do you think about 1840-1857 Grellman book - whether this "two volume" book is the best option on ebay at the moment?:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grellman-Re...em5af5cb1fa9
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The two volume is the first edition of the book. There are additional varieties in the later editions, and delistings of varieties that have proven to be a different die state of another variety. The later editions have more die state information in them and the rarities are more current. The price for that first edition is also too high. They want $135, but you can buy the latest, third edition, directly form the author and have it signed for $100 postpaid. Well to Bulgaria it might be a little higher.
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I got my Grellman book from them indirectly by way of ebay, from Grellman I should have asked him to sign it, dang it, but my copy was fairly worn on the cover, the pages and binding are like new, just lots of shelf wear. I paid a fair price of $75.00 several months ago.

John D. Wrights book just arrived from an ebay purchase, and I must say I am very impressed with it. His photos are great and the printing quality is excellent!

I prefer the newer book over the two volume set in a binder personally, however if it's the same printing quality - then it may actually be a better desk reference as it would lay flat on your desk while examining and comparing your large cents.
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