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1858 Large Letters Flying Eagle Cent Rim Cud?

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So I just traded for this Flying Eagle cent today:

1858-Large-Letters-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Rim-Cud?
1858-Large-Letters-Flying-Eagle-Cent-Rim-Cud?

From what I see, there appears to be extra die mushing over the rims as a result of the coin being struck on a overweight planchet?

I basically have no knowledge of varieties or errors especially pertaining to the flying eagle series.

The guy I traded with thought that this coin would be an anomaly and gladly traded it for $60 worth of scrap silver.

Comparing it to this NGC XF-40 CAC:

https://stacksbowers.com/Auctions/A...LotID=473877

I can grade my coin at VF-35 to XF-40? Its a bit of a weak strike on the reverse but still shows good details. Also what is it worth? Should I send it in to PCGS along with some other coins I'll be sending in soon?

Anything would help. All opinions are appreciated. Thanks.
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What do you mean by extra die? Does it look like another coin smashed into the side?
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No it looks like when the coin was stamped (maybe that's not the right word) there was some die pushed up and then it formed as it is now as it cooled.

It kinda looks like the extra metal is forming like a surf wave, its extra metal for sure because the rim on the side looks normal.
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The reverse of the coin doesn't look completely round, right wear the Cud is the coin flattens out, this usually indicates post mint damage. But, anything can happen. You should check out this error site http://www.error-ref.com/ it does a good job explaining how errors occur and you should get a better idea of what happened to your coin.
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definitely post-mint damage, plus it is cleaned.
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The term you are searching for is a " Cud". If the die cracks and a bit breaks off, then there's nothing to counter the force of the OTHER die and so metal moves up without any part of the design on it. Those errors can have some value. If however it happens after it leave the mint ( PMD) its a definite negative on the value.
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Given the black around the edges of the feature, I'm thinking this coin became an unwilling member of an electrical circuit at some point in the past.
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