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Smackdown V The Fable Of The Seven Sleepers

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 Posted 09/25/2013  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Time for more 'punishment'

The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Chapter XXVII


Usurpation of Eugenius, A.D. 392-394.

The prudence of Arbogastes had prepared the success of his ambitious designs,
and the provincials, in whose breasts every sentiment of patriotism or loyalty was extinguished,
expected, with tame resignation, the unknown master whom the choice of a Frank
might place on the Imperial throne.
But some remains of pride and prejudice still opposed the elevation of Arbogastes himself,
and the judicious barbarians thought it more advisable to reign under the name of some dependent Roman.

He bestowed the purple on the rhetorician Eugenius,
whom he had already raised from the place of his domestic secretary
to the rank of master of the offices.
In the course both of his private and public service the count
had always approved the attachment and abilities of Eugenius,
his learning and eloquence, supported by the gravity of his manners,
recommended him to the esteem of the people,
and the reluctance with which he seemed to ascend the throne
may inspire a favourable prejudice of his virtue and moderation.

The ambassadors of the new emperor were immediately despatched to the court of Theodosius,
to communicate, with affected grief, the unfortunate accident of the death of Valentinian,
and, without mentioning the name of Arbogastes,
to request that the monarch of the East would embrace as his lawful colleague
the respectable citizen who had obtained the unanimous suffrage of the armies and provinces of the West.

Theodosius was justly provoked that the perfidy of a barbarian
should have destroyed in a moment the labours and the fruit of his former victory;
and he was excited by the tears of his beloved wife
to revenge the fate of her unhappy brother,
and once more to assert by arms the violated majesty of the throne.
But as the second conquest of the West was a task of difficulty and danger,
he dismissed, with splendid presents and an ambiguous answer, the ambassadors of Eugenius,
and almost two years were consumed in the preparations of the civil war.

Before he formed any decisive resolution the pious emperor was anxious to discover the will of Heaven;
and as the progress of Christian Laity had silenced the oracles of Delphi and Dodona,
he consulted an Egyptian monk, who possessed, in the opinion of the age, the gift of miracles and the knowledge of futurity.
Eutropius, one of the favourite eunuchs of the palace of Constantinople, embarked for Alexandria,
from whence he sailed up the Nile as far as the city of Lycopolis, or of Wolves, in the remote province of Thebais.

In the neighbourhood of that city, and on the summit of a lofty mountain,
the holy John had constructed with his own hands an humble cell,
in which he had dwelt above fifty years, without opening his door,
without seeing the face of a woman,
and without tasting any food that had been prepared by fire or any human art.
Five days of the week he spent in prayer and meditation,
but on Saturdays and Sundays he regularly opened a small window,
and gave audience to the crowd of suppliants who successively flowed from every part of the Christian world.
The eunuch of Theodosius approached the window with respectful steps,
proposed his questions concerning the event of the civil war,
and soon returned with a favourable oracle,
which animated the courage of the emperor by the assurance of a bloody but infallible victory.

The accomplishment of the prediction was forwarded by all the means that human prudence could supply.
The industry of the two master-generals, Stilicho and Timasius,
was directed to recruit the numbers and to revive the discipline of the Roman legions.
The formidable troops of barbarians marched under the ensigns of their national chieftains.
The Iberian,
the Arab,
and the Goth,
who gazed on each other with mutual astonishment,
were enlisted in the service of the same prince;
and the renowned Alaric
acquired,in the school of Theodosius,
the knowledge of the art of war
which he afterwards so fatally exerted for the destruction of Rome.
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Its getting rather quiet around here ......

No more entries ?
Saving the best for last ?

Well I might as well bore you again !



The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Chapter XXXI

Alaric accepts a ransom, and raises the seige, A.D. 409

The last resource of the Romans was in the clemency, or at least in the moderation,
of the king of the Goths.
The senate, who in this emergency assumed the supreme powers of government,
appointed two ambassadors to negotiate with the enemy.
This important trust was delegated to Basilius, a senator of Spanish extraction,
and already conspicuous in the administration of provinces;
and to John, the first tribune of the notaries,
who was peculiarly qualified, by his dexterity in business, as well as by his former intimacy with the Gothic prince.
When they were introduced into his presence, they declared,
perhaps in a more lofty style than became their abject condition,
that the Romans were resolved to maintain their dignity,
either in peace or war;
and that, if Alaric refused them a fair and honourable capitulation,
he might sound his trumpets, and prepare to give battle to an innumerable people,
exercised in arms and animated by despair.

"The thicker the hay, the easier it is mowed,"

was the concise reply of the barbarian;
and this rustic metaphor was accompanied by a loud and insulting laugh,
expressive of his contempt for the menaces of an unwarlike populace,
enervated by luxury before they were emaciated by famine.

He then condescended to fix the ransom which he would accept as the price of his retreat from the walls of Rome:

all the gold and silver in the city,
whether it were the property of the state,
or of individuals;
all the rich and precious moveables;
and all the slaves who could prove their title to the name of barbarians.

The ministers of the senate presumed to ask, in a modest and suppliant tone,

"If such, O king! are your demands, what do you intend to leave us?"

"YOUR LIVES,"
replied the haughty conqueror:

they trembled and retired.
Yet before they retired, a short suspension of arms was granted,
which allowed some time for a more temperate negotiation.
The stern features of Alaric were insensibly relaxed;
he abated much of the rigour of his terms;
and at length consented to raise the siege,
on the immediate payment

of five thousand pounds of gold,
of thirty thousand pounds of silver,
of four thousand robes of silk,
of three thousand pieces of fine scarlet cloth,
and of three thousand pounds weight of pepper.

But the public treasury was exhausted;
the annual rents of the great estates in Italy and the provinces were intercepted by the calamities of war;
the gold and gems had been exchanged, during the famine,
for the vilest sustenance;
the hoards of secret wealth were still concealed by the obstinacy of avarice;
and some remains of consecrated spoils afforded the only resource that could avert the impending ruin of the city.
As soon as the Romans had satisfied the rapacious demands of Alaric,
they were restored, in some measure, to the enjoyment of peace and plenty.

Several of the gates were cautiously opened;
the importation of provisions from the river and the adjacent country was no longer obstructed by the Goths;
the citizens resorted in crowds to the free market which was held during three days in the suburbs;
and while the merchants who undertook this gainful trade made a considerable profit,
the future subsistence of the city was secured by the ample magazines which were deposited in the public and private granaries.

A more regular discipline than could have been expected was maintained in the camp of Alaric;
and the wise barbarian justified his regard for the faith of treaties,
by the just severity with which he chastised a party of licentious Goths
who had insulted some Roman citizens on the road to Ostia.
His army, enriched by the contributions of the capital, slowly advanced into the fair and fruitful province of Tuscany,
where he proposed to establish his winter-quarters;
and the Gothic standard became the refuge of forty thousand barbarian slaves,
who had broke their chains, and aspired, under the command of their great deliverer,
to revenge the injuries and the disgrace of their cruel servitude.

About the same time he received a more honourable reinforcement of Goths and Huns,
whom Adolphus, the brother of his wife, had conducted, at his pressing invitation,
from the banks of the Danube to those of the Tiber, and who had cut their way,
with some difficulty and loss, through the superior numbers of the Imperial troops.
A victorious leader, who united the daring spirit of a barbarian
with the art and discipline of a Roman general,
was at the head of an hundred thousand fighting men;

and Italy pronounced with terror and respect

the formidable name of Alaric.





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09/25/2013 10:27 pm
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cant see photo...but interesting!


Now I can thanks!
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 Posted 09/27/2013  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty quiet again .....

Well I guess the "End" is near (or nearer)


The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Chapter XXXVI


Leo, emperor of the East, A.D. 457-474.

Since the death of the younger Theodosius,
the domestic repose of Constantinople had never been interrupted by war or faction.
Pulcheria had bestowed her hand, and the sceptre of the East,
on the modest virtue of Marcian:
he gratefully reverenced her august rank and virgin chastity;
and, after her death, he gave his people the example of the religious worship
that was due to the memory of the Imperial saint.
Attentive to the prosperity of his own dominions,
Marcian seemed to behold with indifference the misfortunes of Rome;
and the obstinate refusal of a brave and active prince to draw his sword against the Vandals
was ascribed to a secret promise which had formerly been exacted from him when he was a captive in the power of Genseric.

The death of Marcian, after a reign of seven years,
would have exposed the East to the danger of a popular election,
if the superior weight of a single family had not been able to incline the balance in favour of the candidate whose interest they supported.

The patrician Aspar might have placed the diadem on his own head,
if he would have subscribed the Nicene creed.
During three generations the armies of the East were successively commanded
by his father,
by himself,
and by his son Ardaburius
his barbarian guards formed a military force that overawed the palace and the capital;
and the liberal distribution of his immense treasures rendered Aspar as popular as he was powerful.

He recommended the obscure name of Leo of Thrace,
a military tribune, and the principal steward of his household.
His nomination was unanimously ratified by the senate;
and the servant of Aspar received the Imperial crown from the hands of the patriarch or bishop,
who was permitted to express, by this unusual ceremony, the suffrage of the Deity.

This emperor, the first of the name of Leo,
has been distinguished by the title of the Great,
from a succession of princes who gradually fixed in the opinion of the Greeks
a very humble standard
of heroic, or at least of royal, perfection.
Yet the temperate firmness with which Leo resisted the oppression of his benefactor
showed that he was conscious of his duty and of his prerogative.

Aspar was astonished to find that his influence could no longer appoint a praefect of Constantinople:
he presumed to reproach his sovereign with a breach of promise,
and, insolently shaking his purple,

"It is not proper (said he) that the man who is invested with this garment should be guilty of lying."

"Nor is it proper (replied Leo) that a prince should be compelled to resign his own judgment, and the public interest, to the will of a subject."

After this extraordinary scene, it was impossible that the reconciliation of the emperor
and the patrician could be sincere;
or, at least, that it could be solid and permanent.

An army of Isaurians was secretly levied and introduced into Constantinople;
and while Leo undermined the authority,
and prepared the disgrace, of the family of Aspar,
his mild and cautious behaviour restrained them from any rash and desperate attempts,
which might have been fatal to themselves or their enemies.

The measures of peace and war were affected by this internal revolution.
As long as Aspar degraded the majesty of the throne,
the secret correspondence of religion and interest
engaged him to favour the cause of Genseric.

When Leo had delivered himself from the ignominious servitude,
he listened to the complaints of the Italians;

resolved to extirpate the tyranny of the Vandals;

and declared his alliance with his colleague Anthemius,
whom he solemnly invested with the diadem and purple of the West.
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 Posted 09/27/2013  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Meanwhile, a careful re-reading of Wildwinds' Antioch page changed my estimate of the yellow coin's date from "late 1st to early 2nd century AD" to "sometime in 1st century BC".
It still kind-of falls in the vague category of "Roman Provincial", but now it doesn't fit in the pre-Decius timeframe anywhere near as neatly (and Antioch isn't quite Ephesus).
I think I might try to post the same thing on my original thread for that coin (and maybe this time someone actually comments on my other attributions).
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Absolutely fascinating! You have about a 1000 more years to write about!
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Bronze - ValiantKnight Theo II...I know the baker from the story would agree with me...

Silver - Victorioso - Decius Ant...the coin from the story?

Gold - Whizb4ng - Xusro II AR Dirham... The Great Shah of Persia...Mohammed Lifetime Coin.

What an awesome smackdown.
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Where is my brain ? I am afraid it has gone all mushy ...... I forgot today was Friday !

Yes indeed it is time to make some selections. I had hoped to see some 'Vandalic' issues. Perhaps someone might post one just for show ?
Oh well I guess there is no hurry so we leave the voting open until Sunday evening 6PM EST.

When all the ballots are cast I will 'nominate' 3 selections in no particular order as being worthy. Only for use in the event of a tie.
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Gold - MartiVltori - Theodosius II solidus
Silver - Whizzb4ng - Khruso II
Bronze - Victorioso - Decius Antoninianus
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Gold - Ancientnoob - a coin from somewhere I have never heard of relevant to the topic AND byzantine silver. Anoob you never disappoint
Silver - MartiVltori - a pair of excellent coins
Bronze - Valiantknight - I am a sucker for a siliqua and have had eyes on many but never taken the plunge. Plus your Later Romans never disappoint

FR - Awesome smackdown! And so much Gibbon. I may have to go find my libraries copyand start from Page 1.
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Since Gibbon's "Decline and fall" is just shy of 240 years old (1776) it is easy enough to find online. If you do choose the book try and find an old copy with the footnotes where footnotes belong (at the foot of the page) which is where Sir Edward wanted them. Modern editions have made them into end notes which makes it tedious to go back and forth about 10 times per page ! Footnotes are never popular to read but in Gibbons case they are almost as good a read as the book itself. They can be quite funny too. After reading Volume One I came to one very inescapable conclusion ..... that if not for Gibbon ...... Monty Python might never have been !
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and what have the romans ever done for us?

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One of my favourite history professors loved to go on about footnotes and how one should never stoop so low to use endnotes. He prefers to leave those to the pseudo-scholars of the English department. He is an interesting fellow. Wrote a biography of Santa Clause.
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This has been the best Smackdown to date. Great job FR you put a lot of work and effort into this one. Too many excellent coins to choose from also, it was difficult to come up with only three.

Gold - Anoob's - Auxmite, very rare coin in fantastic condition.
Silver - Joseph's - Theo II Solidus
Bronze - Whizb4ng - Khruso II
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Some really neat coins in this round.

Gold - Whizbang Khusro II
Silver - AncientNoob Auxmite
Bronze - Jimbo Honorius
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