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1884-O Morgan Dollar, What MS?

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 Posted 09/22/2013  10:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Solace-ian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm wondering what mint state, if any, this Morgan dollar is. I got it on ebay a couple years back and I am fairly sure the toning is artificial to some degree. Appreciate the help! Many thanks in advance!






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 Posted 09/22/2013  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63, I have no idea if it artificial or not
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 Posted 09/22/2013  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Geohoarder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The toning looks like it might be artificial, but I can't say for sure. It looks uncirculated, MS 64 ish.
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 Posted 09/23/2013  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-63.
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Wow! When I purchased it, it was advertised as a MS60 Morgan dollar. It is good to know it is 3-4 grades higher!

I have one more question though..

Since this is such a weird pattern of toning do you think it is detrimental to the coins value? If it is artificial does that devalue the coin?

All information is appreciated!
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i think its more like the MS60 you were told. the toning may be artificial and could affect value as it detracts from the eye appeal.
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The first place I look for mid range (or higher) Morgans is the
Eagle's breast and your doesn't have the crispness, so I'm agreeing with
Panzaldi on this one. Also I agree with your assessment of the toning,
weird pattern is usually AT.
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 Posted 09/23/2013  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Artificial toning to hide wear. AU55 only.
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Alright, because of the difference in grade evaluations given in the above comments I have rescanned the coin in a higher resolution. It also resembles the coins colors when looked at by the naked eye.



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Thanks for all your help guys!
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The toning is definitely artificial and seriously detracts from the value of the coin. I can't swear it's Uncirculated, but it appears so and would be in the 63/64 range. Have a look inside the mint mark for evidence of a repunch; many 1884-O varieties have repunched mint marks.
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 Posted 09/24/2013  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solace-ian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the help guys!
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Definitely AT, maybe lightly circulated. Usually when the breast is that flat, the legs will look... weird. They look fine here.
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If this coin were sent to a third party grading service, say PCGS, would the artificial toning affect the grade it would receive? If so, is it even worth getting graded?
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 Posted 09/25/2013  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes details artificially toned is what the holder will say
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Even with that heavy artificial toning I can usually see mint luster on an uncirculated coin. I see no luster whatsoever on this one, leading me to believe it's a cleaned coin that was toned to hide this. My guess would be AU-55 details/cleaned and AT.
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AU details, retoned
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