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1800 $1 - You Vs. PCGS

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 Posted 09/24/2013  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello All!!

PCGS graded this coin XF-45

Before I sent it in I was thinking maybe AU-53 or possibly AU-on a bad day. I do not understand why it got the XF-45. I spent a long time looking at the other photos on PCGS Coinfacts using the View All Photos and this coin, considering all points that I can see in the photos, seems better than all other XF-45 photos, most AU-50 photos, and is more in-line with the AU-53 photos.

I am thinking that this coin is a good candidate for a crack-out and re-submission.

Thanks to everybody for the grades. I appreciate them
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 Posted 09/24/2013  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Crack and resub for sure, great coin.
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 Posted 09/24/2013  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You think they can't even recognize the central strike weakness endemic to early dollars?
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 Posted 09/24/2013  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps not.....
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 Posted 09/25/2013  12:58 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! 45? Makes me wonder if it was silently net graded for some issue we can't see? The eye appeal alone would put it at 50 and today's market-grading should push it to 53 or even 55 on a good day.

If it's any consolation they did add your coin to CoinFacts photo database as an XF45. The super hi-res images do make the two dark spots on the reverse look a bit worse but I don't see any other issues except an old, light cleaning. I think it got docked 5 points in any event and would grade 50 on a different day.
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 Posted 09/25/2013  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought AU53. Interesting.
PCGS are OK, they seem to be a little more resistant to gradeflation.
I think that it must have had something to do with the fading of the horizontal bars on the shield.

I will have to concede that I was forced to change my mind.
I don't do that often.
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I am thinking that this coin is a good candidate for a crack-out and re-submission.

I think so too!


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Makes me wonder if it was silently net graded for some issue we can't see?
Possibly, I can't see this one in any grade below AU from their own photos.


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I think that it must have had something to do with the fading of the horizontal bars on the shield.
That and the small dark spots are all I see that could be any sort of down grade.

Regardless of the PCGS grade it's a heck of a beautiful coin Susuman!
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 Posted 09/25/2013  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think that the weakness on the shield should matter that much. I think that is due to the strike and is visible on many of the 1800 dollars. The image below is from a PCGS coin graded at AU-55 (not my coin). I am in no way criticizing the below coin, but just pointing out the strike weakness and considering the grade in context.


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 Posted 09/25/2013  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still an excellent coin. Some people had AU50. I guess PCGS saw it one notch lower.

If you bought it at an EF price with the hope of upgrading I would just leave it and be happy with a beautiful coin. If you paid AU prices then you may want to try again. At some point you will have more into the coin in grading fees and postage then the difference is worth.
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 Posted 09/25/2013  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Susuman . . . your coin is far superior to the AU55 you just posted. If anything, I would reverse the grades. Yours is the 55 and it is 45, possibly even a 40 comparing it to PCGS' Photograde.
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 Posted 09/25/2013  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope nobody misunderstands me, but I think it is a beautiful coin and is one of my favorites in the collection

I started this thread only because thought the grade would have been in the AU-50 to AU-53 range and wanted other opinions. The one B&M near me that saw the coin also felt it was a low AU grade. Also, I have not seen too many real Draped Bust dollars posted on CCF as most of them are fakes, so I thought it would be a change of pace for some people.

Fortunately, purchase price was/is not an issue on this coin, regardless of grade.
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That is amazing. I would definitely resubmit. I am thinking AU55 all the way. Maybe try NGC. If you lived in Colorado I would suggest going down to ANACS and just having them look at it. They were very nice when I went and dropped off coins a few months ago and said if I ever had a coin I needed a quick look at they would give me an unofficial call on it.

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 Posted 09/25/2013  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also see this as solid for AU-53. Most likely PCGS slapped a net grade on it for a perceived light cleaning. Perhaps the luster is noticeably degraded? With those strong AU details there should be some decent luster in the protected areas of the fields.

Probably worth the gamble to resubmit. The potential value increase with an AU grade might be hard to ignore.
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 Posted 09/25/2013  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susuman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The protected areas on the coin do retain some luster - mostly between the letters and inside of the edge.
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 Posted 09/26/2013  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am curious, when cracking out and resubmitting, is there be the chance that PCGS would recognize this coin and just assign it the same grade? I think for a more common coin the chance of that would be low but have always wondered that about special coins, like this one.
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