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1883-O Cheerry Pick

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I just won this on ebay and it has been dropped off at the P.O. for delivery, so I'll post it. Not a rare VAM like it's sister that shares the same reverse die but then if it were it would have gone out of the range of my budget.


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 Posted 09/28/2013  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I *think* I'm taking your meaning on this - is that a telltale curved die crack I see above the mint mark, yet the coin is lacking the Easy increase in value?
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Yes, the die crack above the mm and it's difficult to see with the optimized photos, but there's a die chip (more like a gouge) in the ear.
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So we call this V36.
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Yes, 36A if the E is still intact, I think I can see it.
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Well, 36A and 22A are demonstrably different in currently-perceived rarity, but the known pops aren't what I'd consider definitive, which is why I defaulted to thinking yours was a plain 36. I sincerely hope you see an E when you get it in-hand.
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Any E is a "Good E"

It looks to be a upper midle grade if that makes sence.
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The E is not as distinct as I would like it, so I'll be looking for an upgrade.

I was thinking that with all the die polish lines on the reverse the weak E would still be fairly strong..live and learn, right?
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I have a few of them in MS ...But my MS-66 is not for sale
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I'm looking forward to sEEing the pictures of your PCGS collection.
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I am working on a trade that would up-grade my 1889 O Vam-1a2 from a 35 to top pop AU-55 and move my 1887 P Vam-1b that I have in XF-40 and 45 to an AU-55. But the 1891 Vam-1a1 and Vam-1a2 may get a much better definition to separate them with the coin I just got. The one I just posted is a pre polished Vam-1a1 a "Key note" is no gouge between the A and T of states. I put my MS-62 next to it and with out question you can see polishing lines in a few areas of the clashing that are not present on the Raw coin. The gouge is in my MS-62 coin.

Neat study all the way!
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Are you sending that 1A1 to Leroy to see what he has to say?

Back to this VAM36, do you think the reverse die received a second polishing after the clash? This coin is nearly PL on the reverse with polish lines above the eagle that you could cut your finger on and only a slight witness of the E cross bar.
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I was thinking of sending him a group of Vam-1a1,1a2 and the 1a3 coins. The Vam-1a2 is has a fuzzy definition, at best. I think that with the proof positive when comparing the 2 upper grade coin a die break down happened.
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Vam-1a1 (No gouge between the A and T of States. as it looks from multi examples this happened right after or during the re-polishing of the dies.

2) Vam-1a2 (gouge between A and T of states) (NO BUMP)

3) Vam-1a3 Bump where the nose clash is with the very late die or LDS state being seen with a very large bump and a no displaced radial die break running out of United.

When the sub types where done upper grades where not used. Also on the Early die state it has a rust spot in between the denticles that where removed when they polished up the dies also.
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Opps I did not mean to high jack your post Sorry!
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No problem Russ, There's not much going on here in the VAM sub category lately.
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