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GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/12/2007 4:09 pm Ok this seems like a good challenge. Found this coin in a 500 Wheat cent bag. I'll add pics when I can. It seems to be made of a gold electroplated aluminum. Obverse: IOANNES XXIII PONTIFEX MAXIMUS 1960 and has an odd crest I'm not familiar with Reverse: PRO PROSPERITATE MUNDI / AUREUS MAGNUS 1 Ducat inside a 6-sided cross. I'm workin on some projects so I figured I'd throw this out to see what comes up I just bought a hodgepodge auction that had a 500 wheat bag and 3 rolls of Wheats. I found: 1x 1909 3x 1919 15x 1920's 30x 1930's 35x 1940-42 22x 42+ in XF-MS grade 1960 1 Ducat English 1 Penny Canadian 1 Cent x7 OK My photo studio is up and runnin. Edited by GO 06/12/2007 8:35 pm Report this Post to the Staff

chrisild Pillar of the Community Germany 1238 Posts	Posted 06/12/2007 7:40 pm The "Aureus Magnus" medals that I know (there are quite a few) are actually gold pieces. Now that does not mean yours is one, but I think they - or some of them - are listed in Krause's "Unusual World Coins" catalog. These gold "ducat" medals were made for Werner Graul by Austrian and German mints; Vienna and Hamburg AFAIK ... Christian Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/12/2007 7:44 pm Thanks for the info. I really should get my that book. I have several coins now that are in it. The weight of this coin is 3.5 grams. the size is right in between a Nickel and a Cent. I doubt this one is gold. Looks feels, sounds like gold plated aluminum. Report this Post to the Staff
garylcsr Pillar of the Community United States 1952 Posts	Posted 06/12/2007 8:05 pm What I found on it is that the Ioannes XXIII is Pope John XXIII. a few popes before John Paul II from the way I read it. I can be wrong on this though I am not up on the popes. but I also found that they was made by Werner Graul so that may be a start just to look him up . I did that and found a lot of coins that he made in gold and also that they were illegal to bring into the United States until the 1970's I think because of the law about owning gold from after 1933 but I did not get too much deeper than that. hope that helps but if not sorry but hey I did try lol. also I just found that it "could" be around 1/10 OZ gold good luck on that one but hey I have seen some realy cool things come out of a roll of cents lol Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/12/2007 8:21 pm OK I did some translations. someone please correct me if this is wrong PRO PROSPERITATE MUNDI - to clean for prosperity AUREUS MAGNUS - large golden It is Pope John XXIII. This is his coat of arms that is on the coin that I did not recognize. Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/12/2007 8:46 pm I just now noticed the "980" at 6 o'clock on the reverse. I assume that could mean 98% pure gold. 3.5 grams = .1125 Troy Ounces That's pretty darn close to 1/10th of an ounce. I only have one gold coin and it's a comm in a coincap so I haven't had any experience with grading/weighing/photographing any gold. OK I'll stop talkin now and see if anyone else has an answer. To find a $65 gold coin in a bag of Wheaties has got to be the greatest find I have EVER had. Found this ebay auction with the exact same reverse http://cgi.ebay.com/1964-MAGNA-MATE...LD_W0QQitemZ 140126281709QQihZ004QQcategoryZ547QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Edited by GO 06/12/2007 10:57 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16910 Posts	Posted 06/13/2007 06:17 am Sounds like the real deal to me... except that this particular design on a 1 ducat isn't listed in my old edition of UWC (however, a large silver "argentus" and a large gold 5 ducats with the same design are listed, KMX# M88 and M109). Anyone got a later edition UWC to check it? Specs for the gold 1 ducat are 3.45 grams, .980 fine gold, .1087 oz AGW, about 19mm diameter. The coins are listed under "Germany" because that's where Aureus Magnus, a.k.a. Werner Graul, resided. The six-armed cross design was used on all his "coins". I think "pro prosperitate mundi" means "for the prosperity of the World". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
ageka Pillar of the Community Belgium 2078 Posts	Posted 06/13/2007 07:22 am Sap I know your latin is correct because I speak french pour la prosperite du monde I see those Aureus Magnus medals in various designs regularly on ebay Germany medals normally go at a discount to goldprice so I try to stay away from medals This one is not pristine so 90% of the price of gold would be an acceptable price Report this Post to the Staff
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