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Real Or Fake 1923 Peace Dollars?

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I took these to a coin dealer and without hesitation, he declared them to be fake. However, as I learned more about collecting, they began to pass test after test: weight test, ring test, and tissue test. To me, they look like heavily polished coins, and still possibly at least silver. Could you guys tell me if they are known fakes?



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 Posted 10/03/2013  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your dealer is an idiot, they're real.
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 Posted 10/03/2013  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look real to me.
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From the picture its hard to tell but they do look polished. The one on the left had yellow varnish or glue on the back, I suspect from being mounted on a belt buckle.
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I think they look real.
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The dealer is either an idiot, or trying to rook you. Either way, I would find somewhere else to go.

The one on the right certainly does look to have been a belt buckle piece. Long soak in acetone should remove that glue nicely. Search acetone on the forums and will find plenty of threads on how to do it if you don't know already.
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Do they look so degraded as to have no collector value?

I wouldnt say the dealer was a badguy, they were in a batch with obviously fake seated liberty and morgan coins, I guess hedidnt look as carefully since there were already bad coins in the group.
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Common dates, cleaned... yeah no collector value to me.
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In my opinion they are worth the melt value of their silver content unfortunately.
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Genuine US mint Peace dollars ... alas damaged and cleaned.

Worth melt value as stated above.

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You should be in the market for a new dealer. Yours is either an idiot or a crook.
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did he make you an offer after that or did he say he wasn't interested in it at all?
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Nope, no offer.
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yeah, he probably got spooked because they were in with a lot of fakes. I don't know where people get he's an idiot from, he might of saw something that he thought wasn't quite right and that + the fakes was enough to make him unwilling to take the chance. in his shoes id probably have done the same thing.
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He has tons of testing equipment though, he could have done some simple tests. Even a weighing would have shown these are possibly real. On my other stuff, they used electronic metal testers.
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better pictures:

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