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Here are a few of the coins I have sent to PCGS to get slobbed. Before you all have a dig at me, This is all about the money and nothing to do with my Collections. These are all "Spare" coins and I feel I will get a far better return for them slabbed than raw. What do you think PCGS would grade these at? These are all Scans so all the warts show up. 1951 Jubilee Florin   1954 Royal visit Florin   1927 Canberra Florin #1   !927 Canberra florin #2   1927 Canberra Florin (Toned) #3   |
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United States
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I have taken a "shine" to the Australian Florin, although I can offer no grading opinion other than  Edited by oih82w8
10/06/2013 8:23 pm
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I really don't know how to grade these but here is my opinion. From top to bottom:
MS65 weak hair
MS65 weak details on lion
MS64 multiple contacts around George
MS66+
MS65
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I guess
MS64
MS65
MS64
MS65
MS65
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Here are a few of the coins I have sent to PCGS to get slobbed.
Before you all have a dig at me, This is all about the money and nothing to do with my Collections. Trout, love your honesty.  Nice eye appeal hope they slob high. |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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1) MS-65 possibly 66.
2) MS-65.
3) MS-64.
4) MS-65.
5) MS-64.
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Not too familiar with grading these but I figure it can't hurt to give it a try.
MS-64
MS-65 The left part of the obverse and the neck seems to have a patch of hairlines and kind of looks like a wheel mark. If it's really on the coin, it will probably be in a problem holder but I think what I am seeing is probably on the holder and not the coin.
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MS-63 This one seems slightly better than the previous one.
MS-64
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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'51 Jubilee Florin: No wear, so has to be some sort of MS grade. Enuf nicks on obv. for MS62. Rev. is nice; looks like MS64 from pics. '54 Royal Visit: Same comments, but MS63 both sides. Can't make up my mind if the black spot above the 'G' is a nick or Ag / CuS. The '27 Parliament House coins always show first signs of wear on the shell in the curved frame above the building, in the mace heads, and in how dull George's moustache and eyebrow are. Not sure how much aware the American grader in PCGS may be of these wear high points. Because of this, different graders within PCGS may opine a 1 or 2 point difference. There IS a tiny amount of wear in these high points on all three of these coins. If the PCGS guy is 'on the ball', he will say AU55 or 8, but if he is fooled, perhaps MS62 or 3. Ist PH: one and a bit steps AU55 2nd PH: two and a bit steps AU58 3rd PH: one step AU55. The 'ole trout slobbing coins!? I don't believe it!  Edited by sel_69l
10/18/2013 12:30 am
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These coins are in the system and I will post the grades when I get them. Quote:
The 'ole trout slobbing coins!? I don't believe it!
I have hundreds of these Sel, So I may as well sell a few to help fund my new addiction for Gold Sovereigns  And if I have to slob a few to realise true value then so be it  It just goes to show you CAN teach an old fish new tricks  |
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Australia
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Actually, I AM curious what the PCGS results turn out to be, because I am somewhat at a variation to most other opinions.
Hope you get MS grades for those PH babies, if you are going to sell them.
Sukria. ('thank you' in Urdu).
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Actually, I AM curious what the PCGS results turn out to be, because I am somewhat at a variation to most other opinions.
Hope you get MS grades for those PH babies, if you are going to sell them.
Sukria. ('thank you' in Urdu). I will post the results as soon as I get the grades from PCGS probably in a few weeks  . All the pic's were taken with my old clunker of a scanner and are defiantly not complimentary to the coins  . T sent this batch in to get a "Feel" for how PCGS grades for my own education Cheers Mate ( Thank you in Aussie)  |
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Sel you gave this coin a gEF grading. https://goccf.com/t/160718An Aussie gEF by definition translates to AU55-58 (the same grade you applied to these). How can a coin with wear on the high points and friction over most of its surface grade the same as uncirculated coins with minute traces of friction on the high points? Or are you just being extra tough to discredit PCGS when the coins come back in MS holders. |
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Or are you just being extra tough to discredit PCGS when the coins come back in MS holders. I don't think Sel is having a shot at PCGS Walter, He is simply giving his honest assessment of these coins that I have taken such lousy scans of |
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Bedrock of the Community
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If a coin exhibits the tiniest amount of wear anywhere, it cannot by any definition, be regarded as uncirculated.
Wear, by implication suggests that it has seen some minimal circulation.
I agree that gEF equates to AU55-8.
Lowest MS and Unc are equal as well.
I think that the old verbal grading scale BELOW MS=Unc is better, but Sheldon grading scale ABOVE MS=Unc is better.
There tends to be larger price variations in above MS=Unc, and I think the finer scale of Sheldon is better equipped to deal with this. Nevertheless some basement slabbers in the U.S. are a bit prone to gradeflation, just to give the submitter a favourable report in the hope of more business.
NOTE: Although it applies to only Sheldon and American coins, the study of
PCGS Photograde
is a good way of sharpening your grading skills.
Worth having a look, and keeping as a reference.
However, it is also worth knowing about the the particular coin you are grading, for example the florins in this thread.
Incidentally, many more contributing factors come into play, when grading ancient coins.
Edited by sel_69l
10/22/2013 08:46 am
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You are correct that wear isn't by definition permitted in an MS grading but it is impossible to conclusively differentiate between wear and metal movement caused during production. Therefore a minute trace of metal movement is permitted in MS gradings to adjust for this. Once you handle enough certified coins you will be able to accurately judge just how much metal movement is permitted. Photograde is useful but no substitute for practical experience.
The first and third Parliament house florins are borderline MS gradable coins, the second is certainly MS. The Parliament house florin in the other thread which you assigned the same grade as these is only AU50-AU53, a markedly inferior coin. There is friction throughout and noticeable wear on many the high points.
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