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Canada
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I have looked up ICCS on the internet. They do not appear to have a website. There is only a phone number and address in Toronto, The postings regarding the company seem older. The postings also speak to OT: suspended for selling ICCS coins on ebay. The posting goes on to say that ebay no longer recognizes ICCS grading. Can anyone give me an idea of where to get coins graded in Canada?
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ICCS does not have a website, so you have to call them to get your coins graded.
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Yes... unfortunately ebay.com USA has "outlawed" the use of non-recognized (by them) graders in the description and title of listings... However, if you log into ebay.ca you will find that we can still use this grader in our descriptions...
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ICCS is probably the best recognized and accepted canadian grading company. They are still in the dark ages without a web presence though. CCCS is another canadian grading company..
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Canada
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ICCS has been in the "dark ages" for quite some time now. Yet they are still the premiere grading company in Canada and for Cdn coins. I'm satisfied with their service and have no problem going back.
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Dark ages. Anyone has an explaination of how come? lack of moderm use of technology or something?
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 If you owned Numismatics most coveted business, with the least amount of overhead and you're biggest expense was office rent, why change, if you won't make any more profit by modernizing? Glenn 
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Canada
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glenzy1, Competition drives innovation. If ICCS does not change their business model, future coin collectors will all migrate towards CCCS (who have a website and actual computers in their office  ) and are considered a very reputable Canadian grader as well.
Edited by 1945V 10/11/2013 06:38 am
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 1945V, think about it? How often do YOU use C.C.C.S's website? Glenn 
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ICCS is the best for Canadian coins.
Give them a call at 416 488-8620 and speak to Scott or Brian.
Yes, they have no website but that doesn't stop me from using them.
Their hours are from 8am to 2pm.
I'm often asked why they only work till 2pm.
The answer is because they only grade coins for 2 to 3 hours each day (from 11am to 1pm).
Keeping each interval of coin grading short, maintains as much accuracy and consistency that's humanly possible.
Edited by doubleeagle59 10/11/2013 08:51 am
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If you look back at some of the greatest Canadian collections offered for sale (Norweb as one example), Brian(ICCS) was consulted as the Canadian expert and his comments and grades were used throughout that catalogue. His "Population Report" is still the standard for our references. Are there a few errors in the complete process,..? Yes and that is normal and improvements can always be made. His base of knowledge will be hard to improve on by any other grading company in Canadian coins. BTW.. He also told me(back in the 90's) that because of the TO traffic, he has to start and leave early if he expected to have a normal home life, and I'm sure that all of you Torontonians can easily relate to that.. 
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I think ICCS is an icon in Canadian coin grading and an argument can be used that if one person (now two) grades all the coins, some consistency can be achieved through that process. I've used CCCS in the past and I see no problem with their grading as well. I am not sure what "model" they use. Frankly growing up with technology, I like when companies offer and use technology for services but don't mind working with the "old school" ways. The US "big 3" have a much more elaborate process that includes numerous graders looking at the same coins and achieving a consensus and also holds some merit. I think when it comes to Canadian and US coins currently graded in North America, things are not far off between each of the services (if at all). Each service has it's nuances (especially at higher grades) and I'm sure that posts will be written that say that one service consistently grades higher or lower than another but from my experience, not so at a consistent level anyway. No one complains when they get the grade they're looking for, everyone complains when they don't. It's common conversation at my store and I'm sure numerous others. " I can't believe XXX graded this coin at MS65, look at the mark on XXXX. Or the other way around for that matter. Nothing but the obvious, but you can have two MS64 coins (irrelevant of the service) side by side with one selling st 80% trend the other under 50%based on eye appeal alone.
Edited by TheCoinHunter 10/11/2013 3:34 pm
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As per comments above. I find ICCS dominates for quantity of Canadian coins graded. ICCS & CCCS comparable for grading accuracy and consistency. CCCS allows considerable 'flexibility' in what goes in the comment field where ICCS (I believe) limits it to 'canonized' variety info etc. On the US side I find NGC reasonable at the lower grades but goes higher on the scale than ICCS/CCCS so you need to knock a point or three off when you get up to MS63+ when comparing them. PCGS I've had some trouble at the lower grades (IE a VF35 is what I would consider a VF20 in some cases but not in others) but I'm starting to lean towards SPP's position that PCGS is better grading at the highest levels (IE in general I find a PCGS MS66 looks a bit nicer than an ICCS MS66). I've only seen a few coins in other US company holders (ANACS, ICG etc) so tend to avoid them unless I can see the coin in hand or there are very good pictures of it so I can grade it myself.
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p.s. as per @Scott's Canadian Coins above, if your account is on ebay.com you can only included authorized US company grading in the title of the listing. If you're any other ebay then you're fine; even if you cross-list onto ebay.com by enabling a US shipping method etc. Although I did see one seller saying they've had listings pulled for mentioning ICCS grades in the title. They were also listing in US$s which may have influenced the decision though.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I would not be surprised to human-less grading in the near future. The computer technology exists and it would eliminate the subjectivity factor. Think about the advantages: - If a coin is re-submited to a TPG for regrade, the same grade is returned every time. - A coin's unique print could establish its provenance (previous owners, etc). Stolen coins could be easily traced if they are regraded. - Counterfeit coins would be detected within seconds, given all the known markers.
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 with 1945V 100%, as a matter of fact I can't understand why that hasn't already happened with all the technology available. Think about purchasing grocery at your local store, they scan the UPC code and up comes a price and product description on a screen in front of a cashier. Now picture this! A TPG that has entered every grade of every Canadian Denomination from 1858 to date. The grades are entered for the full Sheldon scale from G-4 to MS-70 by a select group of professional graders. When entered into a computer server, which ever coin within these parameters is scanned will receive an unbiased grade 100% of the time "consistently". All that needs to be done then is for the coin to be slabbed!  Perhaps I should take this to Dragon's Den and run it by 'em? Glenn 
Edited by glenzy1 10/11/2013 5:37 pm
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