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 Posted 10/18/2013  11:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Superhal to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These coins were all taken out of jewelry mounts, I'm trying to find out if they are real or fake. If you want to guess on the condition/numismatic value, that would be great. Note that all have already been tested electronically to be 24k gold. No rotational offset that I can notice, appears to be even on X axis rotation.

Coin 1: 1926 Indian Head $2.5 coin
Weight 4.2 grams (scale used only goes to .X decimals.)
Size: Slightly larger than roos dime
Edge: Reeded.
Real-Or-Fake?
Real-Or-Fake?

Coin 2: 1913 Indian Head $5 coin
Weight: 8.3g
Size: Almost exactly the same size as a Lincoln Penny
Edge: Reeded
Real-Or-Fake?
Real-Or-Fake?

Coin 3: 1926 Indian Head $10 coin
Weight: 16.7g
Size: 1mm larger than a Washington quarter.
Edge: Raised stars
Real-Or-Fake?
Real-Or-Fake?

Coin 4: 1992 Gold Eagle $50 coin
Weight: 34.0 g
Size: 1mm larger than a Kennedy half
Edge: Reeded
Real-Or-Fake?
Real-Or-Fake?

Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  12:06 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If any of those tested 24k they are fake. None of those coin were made of pure gold, all were alloyed with copper.

Coin 3 should be 2.5mm larger than a Washington quarter. Coin 2 should be notably larger than a Lincoln Cent. 21.6mm for the G$5.00 vs. 19mm for the Lincoln. Lastly the G$50 should be 2.1mm larger than a Kennedy half.

That said none of the coins appear fake. Weight and dimensions will confirm common dates are primarily gold.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have any doubt you should get them all accurately weighed.
From the pictures only, they look all OK to me.

Although jewelry fakes can be common, they are more likely to be found in massed produced jewelry. Which brings me to the question:
Does the jewelry itself look to be part of a large production, or does it look to be a 'one off' item?

NB BH1964's comments as well.
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 Posted 10/19/2013  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Note that all have already been tested electronically to be 24k gold.


Assuming you're talking about XRF analysis, the accuracy should easily be enough to confirm that these aren't real, because all of them are alloyed ~10% and shouldn't be over 22kt. If the analysis is less-accurate than that, then it's not certain.

Coin 1: Should be 0.1mm larger than a Dime, and your weight is about accurate to the extent that a scale with 0.1g resolution can be accurate.

Coin 2: Should be significantly larger than a Lincoln Cent; it's almost 1/8" larger in real life. Weight is OK.

Coin 3: Again, it should be almost 1/8" larger than the Quarter referenced. Weight is OK.

Coin 4: Diameter is OK if you meant 1mm all around, because it should be 1.7mm larger than a Kennedy. Weight is OK.

I can't say I'm optimistic about any of them. If they're real, you can assume none of their values to exceed melt by much.
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Yes, I meant radius, not diameter. I don't have a caliper. 1mm all around would be 2mm by diameter.

I didnt see the entire jewelry piece. Each one was in just a pendant style mount ringed with a piece of gold rope chain. Those chains tested at 14k, but the one for the 2.5 piece tested at 10k.

Heh I guess I'm better off if they are fake then, the gold is more pure?
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It is also possible that the electronic devise you used was inaccurate. I'm not an expert, but I think it is less likely that a fake would be made with 24k gold instead of ~22k gold.
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