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The following coins are all in ICCS slips, except for one by PCGS. All are fifty cent pieces, and reverse sides have no extraordinary marks or blemishes, and no more than normal wear for the grade. I will post answers on Sunday. Good luck everyone, and have fun :) Scott's Canadian Coins #1)  #2  #3  #4  #5  #6  Edited by Scotts Canadian Coins
10/24/2013 6:33 pm
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Canada
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poor image for # 1 upgradeable, 2 ef (sofy au) 3 vf 4 ef 5 vf 6 F15/vf
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Pillar of the Community
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Reverse pics please.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Difficult not knowing the years. vf30,ef40,vf30,ef40,vf20,vf20
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I don't test my grading skills with digital images. Cover the grades and let me examine the coins in hand, then you'll get my opinion (which is pretty highly respected on the coin show bourses)...
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SPP - I would be happy to accept your opinion from the digital images and I'd be willing to wager that in the case of examples in this test, your grades would be far more accurate than those assigned by ICCS :)
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Limited experience with ICCS graded coins leads me to this rule: Use the ANA Grading Guide to help you then subtract one grade. |
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1) VF-20 or 25.
2) AU-50.
3) VF-30.
4) AU-53.
5) VF-30.
6) VF-20.
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#1-VF20
#6-VF35
All the rest are VF30,otherwise there'd be no twist to this melodrama.
I'm having second thoughts about #1,it may be VF30 like the rest.
Nah! it's 20,every story needs an introduction,and for denouement the PCGS coin must be 35.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
10/24/2013 11:21 pm
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I'm not liking the quality of the pics.
Sorry.
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The Edward VII example is not fully struck. I would need to see the lustre on that coin and the reverse to even come close with a grade estimate. The rim looks good, I bet it is better than most people would guess...
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Does the OP want our opinions of grade,or our guesses of the TPG opinions? I gave what I thought ICCS and PCGS graded them. I wouldn't take a stab at grading without reverse pics,different years wear differently,some years can be concave or convex. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
10/25/2013 12:52 am
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Hi DBM,
Yes, it is your assessment of what grade should be assigned to coin that I am interested in.
And I understand that definitive opinions would be more accurate with coin in hand, and with seeing reverse side.
But given that most will acknowledge that obverse has more weight in assignation of grade, and that I have reported that there are no unusual marks or wear on the reverses - I'm just looking for opinion based on what you see.
Takes a long time to copy pics and then re-size them to make it under the 100kb limit for upload.
I will post pics with the grade in them on Sunday.
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1. EF40
2. EF 45-AU50
3. VF20
4. EF40
5. F15
6. Can't tell from picture
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As promised here are the results -
Drumroll please :)
DBM gets the prize box of Cracker Jacks, as he nailed it 100%
#1 is VF-20
#2 through #5 are VF-30s
#6 is VF-35
I'm not sure whether his later request for clarification meant his answers were what he thought they were graded, or whether these are his opinion on grades.
My purpose for doing this was to point out how off the "pro" graders can be on their grade assignments.
In the past when their reputation was ultra-conservative I have bought a lot of ICCS coins and released them from their plastic prisons to give them new life as raw coins - but now aday's the consistency seems ultra-erratic with coins often being over-graded not just under.
I can't imagine any knowledgeable collector would be happy having #1 come back as only VF-20 - in my opinion it's a solid VF-35++
Same with #2 as being VF-30, I'd say it's an EF-40+ all the way.
#3 while I would agree just barely makes a technical VF-30 has terrible eye-appeal
#4 is a solid technical VF-30, but again not so nice eye appeal
#5 is an unnatractive coin any way you look at it, no way this should warrant assignment of VF-30
And #6, well what can we say about good ol' PCGS when it comes to lower grade vintage Canada coins - without even going into how distracting the unattractiveness re the blemish and washed out surface, can the technical details warrant more than F-12 ?
Anyhow that's my rant for tonite - thanks all for your input.
Have a great Monday!
Scotts Canadian Coins
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I thought I had replied to this thread. I agree with your critiques for the most part. I think 1, 2, and 4 were graded appropriately, but I think 3 should be VF20, 5 should be VF20 (technically speaking... it looks identical to a 1921 Quarter I used to own). 6 just speaks for itself, somewhere in the VG10-F12 range by Canadian standards.
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