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A beauty--could be considered Xf45 to AU50 Fake---Can you see the tells? --- For sale on ebay right now--Thursday evening. A couple of clues: Look for the slight raised bump on the top of her head. Look at the reverse bow with a central area filled in and the straight left bow--too straight. No photoshop in this case. The third photo shows a normal coin.    Edited by lambecolin
10/25/2013 8:10 pm
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Well, the most obvious is the weird single leaf at the top of the laurel wreath. There should be two and thinner.
Center stroke of E in DEI
The A in REGINA is a mess
And the bottom ribbon on the reverse is odd
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I'm not really good at this ... but I'm going to take a shot... from looking at the picture from Coins and canada web page and the photo you posted...
1) Dot after Regina is too big
2) Laurel leaves at the very top just don't look right
3) Nose looks a lot more pointed
That's all I got... but had to really look... and it wouldn't have popped out at me unless you said fake...
How did I do?
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That nose is really bad. Didn't see it at first, thanks for pointing that out.
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Agcoin----The dot and nose are OK. You are right on the laurel leaves--- I think that whole area has been transplanted from another set of coins.
dialog gvf---The A has a silver solder ball adhering to letter.
The E is normal---it is a variant I call a "twisted E'--- appears on about 4% of these coins. You are right on the laurels and bow. This is the most extreme case of tooling I have ever seen!
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Missing laurel leaf.Wow! How subtle.
Seller is a member here,maybe he'll chime in.
On second glance it's a holed coin that has been repaired,not a counterfeit.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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10/25/2013 12:25 am
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The coin looks fine to me (that is, genuine, repaired though).
Maybe I need a refresher course in spotting fakes!
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Sharp eye, DBM  These coins are rarer than a lot of collectors know... Author Rob Turner writes in his book, a chapter titled, "The Fate of the Twenty Cent Silver Pieces", that his 2009 research indicates that only 7,342 coins of this date survived the melting pot... http://www.victoriancent.com/coin-info.html |
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I was thinking the same thing - the two anomalous areas "line up" on opposite sides of the coin...
If that was the case, it is well done. Reminds of the 1921 50-cent coins with the altered dates on them, someone was obviously pretty good with jewellers tools.
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I totally agree with you----Not a fake---Just a repair to pass it off as a good coin---hold on a bit, then it is an intentional effort to deceive. But intentions can not be proven in this case.
I end up classifying it as a buyer beware case.
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This is my listing. And I'll say was I ever surprised when I opened this thread and saw a picture of my coin in it!
I took a closer look, and it is indeed a genuine, but professionally hole plugged coin. I had completely missed it when buying it (as part of a very large collection), and again when taking photos and listing it. There is nothing wrong with the Queen's nose, or the lettering/dot in the legend. The funny looking A on the obverse is due to a small die crack running through it.
There is a very slight discolouration on the added silver used to fill the hole.The work was done with excellent accuracy, other than missing one of the leaves in the laurel at the top of the Queen's head, and the shape/position of the single leaf. I have heard of "expertly plugged" coins before, but it was never something I've come across or ever thought to look for when buying coins. I'll update my listing with a note about it.
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Pokerman:
First I want to appologise on my part for any insinuation that the coin was fake. I'm still very VERY new to this area and one of the reasons I love this site is that there are so many knowledgeable people that give their input here.. and I absolutely LOVE how much I'm learning. I only had one picture to work off of, from coins and canada and my knowledge of Vicky's is below novice.. I think I should've started my reply with... "I cannot validate that this is a fake but from the one picture I'm looking at these are the differences I see"... which I think also may be attributed to lighting and the difference in angle between camera shots.
I also want to commend you for stepping up and saying this is your coin. That takes integrity. A quality I personally find harder and harder to find amongst individuals... (perhaps I'm starting to hang around with the wrong people too often)
Never the less.. I appologise... and while I don't know you personally.. I would say that I feel you're a very stand up kinda individual for saying what is...
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No apology needed. We're all here to learn, myself included. Forums like these are a great resource for collectors of all levels. Your spidey senses were spot on, there was something amiss about the coin. I thank you for posting this. Had I not seen your thread, I would have had no idea about the issue on this piece. It was part of a substantial ~200 coin collection I purchased recently, including some higher end graded pieces. Not every coin got as much scrutiny as it could/should have. Quote:
I also want to commend you for stepping up and saying this is your coin. That takes integrity. A quality I personally find harder and harder to find amongst individuals... (perhaps I'm starting to hang around with the wrong people too often) Thank you for the kind words. Said traits can be hard to find these days. Maybe you're hanging around too many coin dealers? j/k ;) |
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Wow, that is amazing. The hole must have been big, since it took out the top leaves. Quote:
The A has a silver solder ball adhering to letter.
So, a remnant of the repair? They laid down silver solder? |
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Time for a change of thread title?
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