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Edited by rpmes
10/29/2013 01:18 am
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My only guess is that they are the result of die polishing.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Almost looks like fingerprints. It the surface rough in that area or smooth? If smooth it maybe a fingerprint? If rough it may have had a dremel run over it?
After a second look at the first images, I agree it may be die polishing. The tops of the columns are not affected. Either way it adds no extra value for it.
Edited by coop
10/29/2013 1:42 pm
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Definitely rough raised lines. If they were fingerprints, which I know they are not, someone would've had to have a pretty good grip to smash the copper. lol Dremel? Maybe IDK?
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Is it Just on the memorial or does it end up on the base of the coin as well ? Its kind of extreme to be considered for any type of Machine Doubling chatter than I have seen. It would be totally weird if just the memorial was just a victim of some sort of struck through item, like cloth. What I am trying to say is, I wonder if there is a hint of the same pattern on the base of the coin. Maybe a die workers shirt tail got stamped. It cannot be any sort of cloth bag impression, one would think it would be all over the coin as well. I am trying to focus on the stairs of the memorial. If you can see the stairs pretty good, especially from a side angle (long ways) and there is this pattern on/under it with stairs intact, you could be on to something. The pillars are usually suspect (for incomplete or weak strikes) on most strikes, as are the stairs, but if there is an area that shows a really well struck part of the memorial AND this pattern is there, it could have come from inside the mint. I dont know what type of device they would have used in 1961 to clean out a clogged die. Coop could be onto something, they may have used a power tool as a last resort to try and clean out a die....who knows for certain. Too bad the mint didnt take better notes of the issues that occured or used a CM style process.... heh. Then the 1961 coins would have come out a few years ago... Edited by Collector-Corner
10/30/2013 12:34 pm
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Wow, I am really interested in the solution to this one. Very weird stuff going on.
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With the last new images, It mush have happened on the die and touched some of the shallow devices. On the Single letter images, it is all happening behind the devices, which tells me it is on the face of the die. (Fields on outside edge of the die. Devices are inside the die.)
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Hummm That "T" now looks like an old Telegraph pole. The "U" looks like a half pipe used in the 'X' Games. The "O" in ONE, looks like it has a curl in the middle of the "O" and if I am not <am> seeing things, the top of the "O" looks like there is a typical old font "P" at the very top of the center of the "O" in One.... To me it makes it look like it says OOP almost. Crazy. Edited by Collector-Corner
10/31/2013 09:16 am
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A die break?
I'm not sure
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So what does it all mean coop? Do you think there may be others or is this a one time strike?
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Well my thoughts are "You got an over worked die that has been victim of many polishings, has happened to find a finger printed blank." There would be more out there if that where the case. But this one just happens to have polish lines and fingerprints...IMHO.
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I won't argue that it may be a print. It could be. So my question now would be, how did the lines of the print get raised and bumpy? Could the mint worker have had something on his finger that would affect the copper over time? And I say mint worker only because the swirling effect looks to be pressed into the metal itself, and not like an oil stain pattern that I've seen prints leave on other coins. I'm still a little confused. Definitely a strange one. Gimme your best please. Please excuse my ignorance but can someone explain the unusual marks within the lettering. I didn't quite understand what coop was trying to say. And thanks for all of the replies.
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With marks behind the devices on the outside letters, makes me think it was on the die. Unless the marks are not raised. But here is what happens when feeder finger (Not saying that this is what this is.) scrapes happen on the die. The marks are raised and run behind the devices.  I was commenting on that areas. It would be impossible for these to be raised, unless something happened to the die. If they are incuse then it would be PMD. |
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I see what you mean Coop, question- is it possible to have an over heated die (over worked) and could that cause deformations in its surface? Something like heat waves. Personaly I have no clue but a die moving fast under all that presure could sustain damage I would think, please correct me if Iam to far out in left field.
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