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How Far Back Can We Go? Second Edition! Ended At 1492 Waiting On 1491

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1595 Saxony Thaler. Elector Christian II and his brothers Johann Georg (who would succeed his brother as Elector in 1611) and August. Minted in Dresden under mintmaster Hans Biener.

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 Posted 07/11/2015  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add qxy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like those thalers with the three brothers!

Also 1595: golden ducat from Gelderland, the Netherlands. Weight 3.46g vs. 3.51g officially. Gold contents 0.986.
Text front: CONCORDIA RES PARvae CRESc u n t GELriae - unity makes small things grow, Gelderland.
Back: MOneta ORDInum PROVINciarum FOEDERatarum BELGicarum AD LEGem IMPerii - coin of the states of the united Dutch provinces, according to the imperial law.

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[edit]had to add some spaces to a certain Latin word since part of it got censored because of its meaning in English...[/edit]
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 Posted 07/12/2015  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davidrj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
France 1594 S Double Tournois, Troyes Mint, issued by the Catholic League in the name of Charles X as a rival to the protestant Henry of Navarrre

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1594
Spanish Netherlands
Philip II of Spain (1555-1598)
1 / 20th philips thaler 1594
Duchy of Brabant,
mint: Antwerp (hand)
DOMINUS MITI Adiutor
The Lord is my helper
PHS.D.G.HIS.REX.DUX.BR.
Philip dei gratia rex dux Brabantiae
Philip, by the grace of God, King of Spain, Duke of Brabant
ref: Van Gelder / Hoc 215-1
ref: RN1218
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1593 K-B Hungarian Denar,King Rudolph I.

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@Petrus: I translated that from Dutch (Catalogus Nederlandse Munten, van der Wis and Passon), but you'll find slightly different translations in different sources. This page for example has 'Coin of the Government of the Provincial Federation of Belgium Conforming with the Imperial Law' http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogs...thed-in.html

My Latin isn't good enough to say what is most correct...
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@ gxy:
You are correct. But I think MO ORDI is 'regulier geld'
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@Petrus:
After looking a bit more into it, I think that that's not the correct translation. Ordinum seems to be derived from ordo (order) and ordino (to order/to govern), so I can see how that leads to the translation of 'ORDInum PROVINciarum FOEDERatarum BELGicarum' as 'government of the united Dutch provinces'.
The French ordinaire and the English ordinary are also derived from ordo in Latin, but I don't think that ordo has the same meaning as the English and French derivations, as in 'common'.
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Similar to the 1595 Saxony thaler
1592
1 thaler
Christian II, Johann Georg I and August (1591-1611)
Mint: Chemnitz (?)
FRAT:ET.DU_CES.SAXON.
FRATRES ET DUCES SAXONIAE
Brothers and dukes of Saxony
CHRISTIAN.IOHAN:GEORG.ET.AUGUSTUS
co-lordship of :
Christian II (1583-1611)
Johannes Georg I (1585-1656)
Gustaph II Adolph (1594-1632) ?
KM# 15
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For those who have doubts: yes indeed it is a fake, not even silver

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Excellent!

Moving right along. We could catch the first edition thread this year.
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Just finished a 12 hour shift. Here is a 1592 K-B Hungarian Denar,King Rudolph I. Not the best picture.

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Quote:
Moving right along.


jbuck are you saying that fakes are acceptable to move us along to the next year? Thankfully, EddieDiz has posted a coin we are pretty sure is from 1592 (although I am not qualified to authenticate it).
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 Posted 07/14/2015  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful and stunning gold!
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