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Valued Member
United States
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Hello all, Been a while since I posted. Missed you guys. I need to determine possible grade on this 1914D and ask if you think it is worth having certified. I want to sell it on ebay. Any help will be much appreciated. Thank you in advance.    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The incised Indian gold coins are a real pain to grade. Generally takes someone rather familiar that design. Don't know what's up with the reverse. Best Guess: End coin on a roll from a Coin Wrapping Machine. Since that would be PMD it would probably end up in a DETAILS or Genuine slab. |
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Valued Member
 United States
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What is it about the back that is off?
Thanks for your input.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The coin was once jewelry mounted which is what created the reverse impressions This also means it was probably cleaned I'd pass and wait for a better specimen This is all IMO. And should be not relied on for your decision Wait for others to chime in *edited to recognize you already own it You can sell it but call it AU Details by ANA Standards for full disclosure You should get $200 at least I think Edited by dsfreeworld
11/05/2013 11:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hmm AU58 Details I think. Ex:Jewellery for sure. Still a $200+ coin.
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Valued Member
United States
170 Posts |
Thank you so much for the responses. You guys are so smart. Please tell me how you detected the jewelry mounting. I really need to learn from this.
Thanks again
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think the ring that goes through the peripheral lettering on the reverse is the result of die buckling( Die Deterioration) and not damage from a mount. If it was damage from a mount, the mint mark should be damaged but from your pictures it doesn't look damaged and the ring appears to run under the mint mark which is not consistent with post mint damage. It is not uncommon on incuse indian gold coins will not prevent it from receiving a problem free grade. A little small rim ding above the star to right of liberty. Hard to make out the luster if there is any but my feeling is it likely grades no higher than a mid AU. Edited by D0ubl3Eagle
11/06/2013 02:57 am
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Valued Member
United States
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Wow...die buckling sounds so much better than jewelry damage. I notice the so called ring also runs under the lettering and feathers. What looks like an obverse ding in pictures is actually a Cud or just extra drip of gold. The luster is very good. I'm now beginning to have more hope for this coin. Thank you DOubl3 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's not necessarily jewelry damage. Many $2.50 Indians exhibit that characteristic "ring" around the perimeter. My guesstimate on your coin is AU Details - Cleaned with a retail value around $225.
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United States
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BH is actually spot on I believe as is evident from an exact scenario on a coin I posted and received feedback on. I had initially guessed jewelry damage due to the severe nature of the reverse impressions but Double pointed out that the mint mark is not oppressed as would be from mounted examples I have seen. the cleaning does hold the value back and not worth having graded from a major TPG IMO. post it up on the CCF for $225 and see if you get any takers. it will auction on the bay for sure in the $200 range. good luck |
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United States
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Well, that seals it. I've learned so much, and have so much to learn. As usual, this is the best place to do that.
I can't thank everyone here enough. Take care.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
United States
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one more question please. How did you guys detect cleaning on this coin? It looks so good to me. Can gold really be devalued by cleaning?
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Pillar of the Community
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It has no cartwheel luster, hence cleaned. Gold itself isn't devalued by cleaning, but cleaning ruins any additional numismatic value the coin may have.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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one more question please. How did you guys detect cleaning on this coin? It looks so good to me. Can gold really be devalued by cleaning? First I'll say two things: 1) Your coin does not appear to be harshly cleaned (as would be evidenced by excessive hairlines, polished devices, etc.) and 2) Many (perhaps most) raw, incuse gold Indians have been subjected to a cleaning. Second, the sheen of the fields "suggests" a cleaning. The patina seems to be "shimmering" and not what one would expect insofar as luster goes on these pieces when encountered with original surfaces. Lastly, what looks to be light cleaning might be deemed market acceptable as problem-free, I can't tell from the images. If I were selling it, I might describe it as possibly having an old, light cleaning or just say "you grade it" with hi-res images. On ebay these days I imagine it would bring $225 or so. |
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United States
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BH - when a $2.5/$5 gold piece, be it Incuse Indians or Lib heads, has a strong copper luster that truly shimmers in the light with decent peripheral cartwheel and minimal breaks in that luster, would you call that a high AU or lower end MS? Also, to guess at a piece being more high MS, say 63/64, would you not expect to see a copper patina as opposed to just pure lustrous gold cartwheel?
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