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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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Just noticed that the commemorative "Coin and Chronicles" set featuring Teddy Roosevelt will go on sale on December 17, 2013 (likely the last Mint release of the year). It appears to be the "higher end" three-piece TR set that was mentioned when the young collector focused "Presidential Discovery" set went on sale back in September.
The new set will feature a proof version of the TR dollar along with one bronze and one silver medal. The bronze medal will be the 2003 National Wildlife Refuge series medal that featured TR on the obverse and a bald eagle scene on the reverse. The silver medal is said to be a one-ounce, 0.999 fine version of the TR medal from the Presidential Series of US Mint medals. It would be the first time the medal is available as such.
I plan to pick up a set!
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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I saw this.......when I first read it, I thought it said " coin and currency set " and that REALLY caught my eye. Then I realized from the description that I had read it wrong, lol.
The silver medal will be the most interesting part of this set. I think that I will be in for a couple.
No price has been set, any speculation on mintage numbers or price ?
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11/11/2013 11:54 am
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The silver medal will be the most interesting part of this set. I agree - I wonder if it will be an UNC or Proof? Quote:
No price has been set, any speculation on mintage numbers or price ? Assuming no run-up in silver over the next month, I'm guessing a price in the range of $69.95 to $79.95. I would guess the mintage to be between 25,000 and 50,000. Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Interesting. Something I may have to consider.
Do you have a link? I cannot find mention of it.
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Although the Presidential Series of Mint Medals has never been offered in silver, there are a few 3-inch versions that have been struck in silver. Whether or not the Theodore Roosevelt medal was one of these that happened to be struck in silver, I don't know.
I'm still interested to see what diameter they use for this one ounce silver medal.
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Here is where I read the details. A regular presidential proof, a bronze medal and a .999 silver medal, I would think anything above $59.95-$69.95 would be pushing it. They also said they would be sold to sellout, which means they are going pre- mint them. If they are a hit 25,000 would sell out quick, if it is another dud they may regret having to " sit " on 50,000 of them.
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Thank you for the link. I have added this to my watch list.  |
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Thanks commems for bringing this to our attention ... I'm uncertain as of yet whether to pursue this set or not ... will await details on the silver medal to decide.
David
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I plan on picking this set up as well. I think it was a surprise to see a silver medal included. I kind of expected the 2003 bronze piece to be included. I have the 2003 set and like the image of TR on them. He is one of the presidents who should have been honored long ago (IMO). I think the chronicles portion of this offering will be well worth the price considering his legacy.
According to the article posted in the link the TR medal has never been done in silver. I suspect it will be a standard 40mm round.
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11/12/2013 09:59 am
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I suspect it will be a standard 40mm round. I agree. I'm thinking that the Mint will use the same one-ounce silver planchets that they used for the 2011 September 11 National Medals - they were 1.598 inches or 40.6 mm in diameter. Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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The silver medal will probably be 40.6mm same as the last .999 fine medal, the 9-11 medal which no one seems to remember. That was priced at $66.95 for the nearly two years it was sold, and the markup was to benefit the 9-11 memorial and museum, plus silver during the period of availability was between $30-$35/oz. Spot is more than $10 less now and there's no memorial commission to benefit, so $69.95-$79.95 is pushing it. I'd price the medal at the price of the burnished ASE, $43.95, plus the cost of the TR proof and the NWR bronze medal, would bring it around to $56.95-$59.95 per set. Anything above that is really gouging the collector and the Mint already does that well with their high markups on the Au and Pt products. |
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the 9-11 medal which no one seems to remember. Unfortunately I do remember it, I just choose to pretend like it doesn't exist. I agree though it would be excessive having it priced the same, but I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if they do. As long as it looks nice ill get one. |
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The silver medal will probably be 40.6mm same as the last .999 fine medal, the 9-11 medal which no one seems to remember. Except by me in the post just prior to yours! (Sorry, in one of those moods tonight!) @basebal21: What didn't you like about the 9-11 medal? Based on its sales, it appears that many folks didn't find it appealing. I've seen/heard many negative comments about its design. I think one of the saddest aspects of the US Mint's September 11 National Medal program was that not enough collectors (or non-collectors, for that matter) took the time to understand the symbolism portrayed on the medal. Collectors often lament the fact that modern coin designs don't measure up to the designs of the past, yet when they are presented with a modern medal of deep national significance that uses classical allegory to convey its message, they look the other way and complain of its "poor" design. I have asked a number of collectors about this medal â€" the majority were quick to complain about it yet almost none could tell me what messages were being conveyed by its design elements. The medal is a piece of art and like any other piece of art is subject to individual tastes and preferences. Whether a collector "likes" its design is up to him or her, I would not presume that either is the "correct" view. Many competing medals were available for the 10th anniversary. Many of these medals used design elements such as US flags, views of the World Trade Center towers, the Statue of Liberty, a bald eagle or firemen at the scene. Many such medals were viewed favorably, I hold that the reason for their positive reception was that their design elements were all instantly and extremely familiar â€" no thought needed (in contrast to the US Mint's 9-11 medal). But enough time up on the soap box... Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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@Commems I didnt like the design at all and it had very little to do with the beauty or lack of beauty for it. I get the allegory of using liberty with the remembrance torch/lamp(cant remember what the proper name for it is at the moment) and the eagle and water but honestly it just doesn't do the event justice in any way shape or form. To me they didnt even depict what they were trying to well. You either have to take a good guess or do research to know that the lines behind liberty are two beams of light and the wavy lines on the background represent water eventhough they just look like lines. For the worst single attack on American soil in our history thats not good enough for me. You have to go back to the Civil War to match the number of deaths on US soil, and back to the War of 1812 for the number of deaths on US soil when we werent fighting our-self. I guess you could count the Mexican American War or conflicts with Indians but that really wasnt US soil at the time for the most part. For me it should have been a 3 coin set to start with, the Twin Towers werent the only casualties that day. I would have had one for the Towers, one for the Pentagon and one for United flight 93. I get that some people dont want something in your face like showing the burning buildings before they collapse, but there were enough iconic images where it wouldnt have to be an action shot of the attacks. I personally think it should be a little in your face due to the significance of it and that avoiding that completely does a disservice. For me theres a time and place for allegory on coins and that wasnt really it. If they were going to go that route it should have been better done. Someone shouldnt have to do research to know the wavy lines behind the eagle represent flowing water or the blank columns behind liberty are beams of light. It should be readily apparent what was trying to be represented and they failed in that aspect on that one. They did a great job with the Civil War, WWII, the Gettysburg ATB, and the Korea ones. I even love the WWII and Civil War half dollars which werent in your face but had fitting images for the subject. The POW one is one of my favorites as well with a very powerful image of the Eagle flying free with the broken leg iron. Thats a great example of how to use the eagle for a powerful meaningful symbolic image, the 911 one not so much. Correct me if I'm wrong but being a medal makes it worse for me since I believe they have more leeway with what to do with medals. Sorry for the long rant its just one that hits close to home for me. My dad had been transferred out of one of the Pentagon offices hit a few months prior and my mom works for United. That medal is the mint product that gets me the most fired up for all the wrong reasons. Had they done a good one I would have probably gotten 5 or 10 of each, instead I just pretend like it doesn't exist. Edited by basebal21
11/17/2013 02:30 am
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I do get what basebal is saying perfectly. They don't convey a whole lot visually about the day they are meant to take note of, unless you investigate the meanings behind them. Perhaps 10 or 20 years from now they would have been a fitting tribute, but as they came out for the 10th anniversary of an event still fresh in many peoples mind - these were not too special. They were to deep into symbology (is that a word?) and could have been a bit more direct and heartfelt, which is why some of the others mentioned were better medals.
But...
I recently bought a pair of these medals for $35 each. From a design perspective for a medal I like them.
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correct me if I am wrong but didn't the 9-11 medal did not list fineness and I wonder if the Teddy medal will
the reason I ask this because I have been able to pick up many bicentennial medals(.925) for way under spot because there is not a big medal colleting base and with out a fineness on the coin many will think it is just some plated junk if it gets separated from it COA
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