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Worst Coin Investments/Purchases In Your Opinion

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"I do not have the stomach to invest in coins." As I have no stomach either.
"This is only a hobby with all money spent treated as consumed."
Not quite. I say spend money wisely.
I did say consumed, not wasted. I hope the distinction is appreciated.


I have never sold a coin. I never expect to sell a coin. If I had to sell everything to survive, then they would be the last to go.

That being said, if they are gone, why go on living?


Kidding aside, for those who wish to invest in coins, there is good advice here.
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One of my worst (at this point) was buying up a few rolls of low grade Morgans when silver was up well over $30 an ounce... I learned that I don't have the stomach for precious metal speculation...
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If you want to make a million dollars investing in coins, start out with 2 million.


I don't invest in coins, I collect them. It is a relaxing hobby, not a daily lamentation over then price of silver/gold or grieving over my continued yearly "investment" in the U.S. Mint. To me it is the thrill of the hunt not a constant calculation of future financial benefits or detriments to finishing a series.

Remember Eric Newman spent $7500 on his collection, which at the time was a boat load of money , no one knew.

My advise, "LET IT GO". Do not fixate on a coin. Do your research, study, have patience, make sure this is the coin you want at the price you want to pay, BEFORE bidding on it, not after it is in your hands. I came into the middle of an online auction once. I saw a 1989 Panda going for a low price, I had not examined the photos or investigated the coin or the auction house. All I knew was that I needed that coin for my collection and I was not to be denied. Topped the high bid, won the coin, went back to the catalog to examine what I had won and saw the markers of a counterfeit Panda. It was , I should have known, would have known if I had been patient.
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Worst coin investment?
Common 1971-2007 Clad Proof Sets.

Then again, I made myself a Dansco 7146 filled with 1999-2009 Clad Proof Quarters for $63 total (the album, and all ten years of coins in OGP Boxes/COA's).

It's a beautiful album to look at, and I didn't break the bank to create it.
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IMO the worst investment is bullion coins.
Coins should be looked at as collectibles, not investments.
Yes, many will increase in value BUT inflation will eat that increase up.

If you want to invest buy .9999 bars.
There's no overhead for making dies and planchets.
You are just buying pure metal.

Look at the cost of buying ASE's vs. the value of the metal in them.
Then try and sell them for a profit.
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I think it's really bad to speculate on private mint bullion rounds: you're combining the cynical NCLT flippers' market (I have given a few as gifts... so I don't expect them ever to be sold) with plain silver speculation, minus liquidity - these private rounds might cause a little stir now because they stick it to the Fed/the President/the Man or whatever, but in 50 years they are going to be in the "$1 + spot" tub at coin stores everywhere. And the copper rounds? You can have a bit of fun with them (I've been meaning to make a mock classic U.S. type-set entirely out of 1. oz copper replica rounds), but they are sold at 10x over spot, so don't think you'll ever flip them for a quick (or even long-term) profit.
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Here are some poor investments, in my observation.

1. Damaged coins. I recall about ten years ago seeing two identical-looking coins from Georgia (the country south of Russia, not the American state) in a dealer's display, one undamaged for $75 and one holed for $25. Being budget-conscious and merely wanting a Georgian coin for my collection, I went for the $25 coin. But if those two coins were in a dealer's window today, the unholed one would be selling for $200 or $300. The holed one would still be selling for $25, maybe $30.

2. Modern coins with no "natural" collector base. Many world mints these days church out vast numbers of coins, many of which "commemorate" things which have nothing to do with the country that issued them and have very little appeal to either actual coin collectors or "collectors" of other things to whom a coin could conceivable appeal. When buying moderns on speculation, don't bother looking at mintages, etc. Instead, think, "why would a coin collector want this coin in ten years time?". If you can't think of any reason more compelling than "it's a coin", then don't buy it. Very few coin collectors still think like that.

3. Ancients. This is mainly a personal thing (I don't want investors buying up ancients, driving the prices up for me), but there are a couple of valid reasons to be cautious of them. Firstly, governments are becoming more and more proscriptive on who can sell ancient coins, and how; you may find that in ten years time, selling your coins is more trouble, paperwork and legal headaches than they are worth. Second, it does not seem wise to pay big bucks for a super-rare ancient coin when someone could dig up a bucketful of them next week and dump them on the market. Finally, it's much easier to be fooled by fake ancients than by fake moderns.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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The reason why silver bullion coins exist is that raw 1000 oz. assay bars (the best silver 'investment') are not very liquid.

Liquidity in small amounts is a sound concept, but in this respect junk silver beats bullion ASE's; less premiums on average and liquid down to the .0723 oz Dime level.
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jbuck,
"I did say consumed, not wasted. I hope the distinction is appreciated."
Missed the distinction.
I thought, "Food consumed ends up ... " Well, you know!
Yes, the replies pretty much cover the area of both 'good'
and 'bad' appreciation possibilities.
And I have yet to see any controversy being generated.
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11/20/2013 09:57 am
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As a relatively new collector, I would say that anything that is the latest fad is almost guaranteed to be a bad investment, whether it be the so-called "coins with crap on them" or even buying silver and gold bullion because the market is going up and everybody is convinced it will only keep going higher.

Had I known then what I know now, I would have bought a lot less god gold [freudian slip?] and silver coins over the last couple of years and instead focused on tried and true classics (slabbed for authenticity) that have always been in demand and likely always will be. For the money I spent on a 100 ounce silver bar, I'm sure I could have picked up a really nice slabbed 1909S VDB Lincoln Cent, for example, or a very high grade CC Morgan silver dollar. These may not appreciate wildly over time, but neither are they likely to go down in value.

Having said that, I still really love that 6 Oz. Furtuna Redux cylindrical coin I purchased...
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I thought, "Food consumed ends up ... " Well, you know!
Ah, yes, I see now.
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My worest purchase was a Nclt coin. The first in the series just won the COTY most innovative coin award. Shortly after release in 2012 it sky rocketed to over $100. Issue price of $30, so the same was expected of the next in series. Of course flippers bought out the stock, and prices rose to $50-$60 per coin. I was very interested in this new innovation and a new collector as well. My thinking was I don't want to spend a $100 on a base metal coin. So I bought at $50 on a Presale, the coin hadn't even shipped from the mint. Now in all fairness others were already selling at $75. So I actually thought I was getting a deal.

Well today that same coin and the next one are being offered under issue price and are a hard sell. While the first in series is an award winner and selling $100-$150 for a cupronickel coin. The craze for glow in the dark coins is clearly over! I must say they are some of the most butt ugly coins, I've seen. Some investors ( flippers) are stuck with upwards of 10-30 coins. I consider this my worst purchase because I have a butt ugly coin that I only got because I was: 1) a newbie 2) curious about the new technology. 3) never considered the coin would flop, and 5 months later I could get it under issue.

My 1 hope is with the great numbers that were returned to the mint and hopefully melted, maybe one day it will be sought after. I seriously doubt it. It's a great reminder to be careful in future purchases. I would not of minded so much if it had been an interesting design.
This a great topic! It looks like I'm in good company, keep the stories coming. We can all learn from others mistakes, if we so choose to!!
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I second Barry's comments about "coins with crap on them".

These are the worst of the commemorative coins usually released by private mints, but sometimes major national mints as well. Coins that have been painted, or have pictures or holograms glued to the surface. I've even seen coins with diamonds and sapphires embedded in the surface as decoration. Whatever it is, it looks nasty and I think most collectors would agree.

For the record, I think a coin should be a purely a piece of metal, ideally the same metal through and through (no plating).
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