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Worst Coin Investments/Purchases In Your Opinion

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I think this is an opportunity for an interesting discussion and for the veterans to give relative newcomers to the hobby (such as myself, 2.5 years into the hobby) the benefit of their experience.

Personally I like to read about people's experience with bad coin purchases (having made a few myself) because it helps me to learn more about the hobby and what to avoid.

That said, I don't want anyone to be offended. Having been stung in the past, I am personally very against private mints (London Mint Office, Westminster Collection, etc) so I would warn people against buying from those with lengthy critique, but if you collect from private mints I don't want to offend you.

Is this a good idea for a topic? Let me know what you think, or just start the ball rolling with your own bits of advice.
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It's a good idea for a topic, with the following caveat: We're going to be expressing, in many cases, personal opinions here and as such they could be construed as argumentative by some with differing opinions. Hopefully, we can do this without contention.

Poor investments:

1) Coins you do not have specific personal knowledge of, or haven't subjected to due diligence before contemplating purchase. Never follow your nose with a coin purchase. Follow your head.

2) (Contentious opinion) Moderns. Aside some few known rarities, most of the Modern market is speculative and how the numbers will hold up in the long term is entirely unproven.
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It's a great idea

My advice:

Learn to grade. Steer clear of errors until you have experience with other coins and 95% of modern commemoratives will be a bad choice (Namely RCM except may 3 series' released in the past 2 years.)

My worst purchase (Yup RCM and modern commen, how stupid of me):

www.mint.ca/store/coin/silverplated-25th-anniversary-of-the-loonie-coin-19872012-prod1210001#.UousKYqDTFo

Got aweful reviews. Complete waste of money.
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 Posted 11/19/2013  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shaban to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quick question, not to thread jack... I've learned a lot about grading, but where do you get your prices from? I want to sell coins out of my shop, but where do I figure out the best price to put on them?
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 Posted 11/19/2013  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My worst investment in coins has been the constant purchasing of Proof and Uncirc coin sets from the Mint. Don't know why I ever started collecting those. They are in boxes and just sit there. I don't look at them, no one ever sees them, they go down in value, just a poor choice of something to collect. IF I ever start to get rid of anything in coins it would be those.
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There are a number of places to get pricing figures but one for example is numismedia.com
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@ Shaban, hopefully someone else with better knowledge can answer your question.

Poor investments:

1) (Contentious opinion) Commemoratives from private mints. They can look nice but because they not made by national mints they are not legal tender and have limited appeal to serious collectors. Furthermore, because they are often only gold or silver plated, they have virtually no bullion value either.

2) Low grade old coins in nice packaging. You see mints of all kinds producing these, including The Royal Mint in the UK. They take a beaten up old coin, like a Queen Victoria penny, stick in some Royal Mint packaging with some information about the coin and then charge £5 for a coin that's worth less than £1.
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Well, for starters, if you are buying simply for enjoyment then you cannot do much harm.
However, if you wish to recoup some if not all of your purchase price the most important thing to consider is this:
"Is a particular coin in a particular condition difficult to find today?" If so, these are the coins that will continue to be difficult to locate
in the future. And as eagerly sought as today.
I just bought several coins last Sunday. A particular, common date, coin with a gorgeous mint state look I bought for pleasure. But, I paid MORE
for a coin in a lesser condition which is uncommonly seen in the high grade XF-45. A common date [1910) and a rare date and mint [1904-S].
Both dimes.
The better investment potential: the 1904-S! Just not seen on the market today in any quantity in XF.

And yes, 10,000 'modern' coins offered today as an 'investment' will disappoint, as all 10,000 will be available in the future.
A production coin with a mintage of 800,000 [the 04-S], more than 100 years old and used heavily over the years, just does not survive in high grades.

This lesson applies to any series of coins.
Of any country.

Oh, and I bury my mistakes as soon as I rid myself of the offending purchase. So I have no stories to tell.
One timely comment: this month marks the 50th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A 1964 proof set was bought by my mom for $9.95. Contains the Kennedy half dollar. Is worth LESS today, 50 years later! What a bummer.
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Quote:
Poor investments:

1) Coins
I somewhat fixed it for you.

I do not have the stomach to invest in coins. This is only a hobby with all money spent treated as consumed.
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I somewhat fixed it for you.

I do not have the stomach to invest in coins. This is only a hobby with all money spent treated as consumed.


LOL!

I rather agree with SsuperDdave. When I first started out I got enthusiastic about coins on ebay I'd not seen before and paid well over the odds. I still have a few that even though prices have risen over the last ten years, I imagine I will struggle to get back even what I paid!

Knowledge about your coins is worth perhaps as much as the coins themselves!

And modern NCLT just doesn't do it for me. I simply cannot see why someone would want to buy a chunk of silver at a sometimes huge mark-up, just because it looks a bit like a coin. You can't spend them, they're as rare as beanie babies ...

... but then, I'm sure there are those here who look at the banged-up things I buy and wonder "but WHY?" That's fine. Less competition for me!
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jbuck,
"I do not have the stomach to invest in coins." As I have no stomach either.
"This is only a hobby with all money spent treated as consumed."
Not quite. I say spend money wisely. Note that I made no mention of making any profit in my original post. I only suggested that wise choices increase the possibility of recouping a good portion of the original purchase price.

Demarko Bishopp,
"2) Low grade old coins in nice packaging."
Most DEFINITELY! They languish in dealers' stock. To be avoided.


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Some of the worst purchases I've made were buying "slider" Morgan dollars instead of paying $50 or so more for a nice MS63 or 64. Also buying low grade or corroded or real dinged up Large Cents instead of saving some more money and buying nice examples.....Now I buy one real nice coin instead of 10 crappy coins.
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I agree about modern coins, private mints, and most of the fairly well known investments. Almost any coin is a bad investment. The only time it's a good investment is if you buy the coin for less than it's worth now and can sell it for a profit now.

Some of my rookie mistakes (that I still make because I haven't been collecting as long as most people around here) include buying based off of book/catalog prices rather than an informed perspective of that coins value/the value of similar coins and buying problem coins because they were cheap (I won't even buy most of them for cheap anymore).

If you truly enjoy and are enthusiastic about the coins you buy, then they are really hard to regret.
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quick question, not to thread jack... I've learned a lot about grading, but where do you get your prices from? I want to sell coins out of my shop, but where do I figure out the best price to put on them?

Like Mullen Said, a great resource for coin values is Numismedia, it is updated often and many collectors use it as their main price guide.

The best way to determine the value of something though, is completed ebay listings.
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If I'm buying modern coins, I usually look for something a little more unique. For example, I bought a 1964 (PF66CAM) accented hair Kennedy. Cameo accented hair varieties are fairly hard to find now, so I figured it might be a good investment coin and for near wholesale price, I couldn't go wrong. I'll see if my thinking is correct years down the road. Overall, I think buying modern coins wouldn't be a great investment unless you're buying something unique.
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A caveat to this is buying cleaned coins. This is a learning experience
in itself. With a slobberd coin you know. Buying one raw for possibly investment you need to know what you are doing.IMHO
Thank you VT, now go and eat a pepper
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