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fljp New Member Canada 3 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 11:44 am Hello all! I received this coin in 1989 when visiting Arnhem Holland for the 45fth anniversary of Operation Market Garden. The coin is F4.5 in face value. I have not been able to find this coin in a catalogue here in Canada. Could someone help me find the country of origine, what the F stands for (I assume it's Florin) and what the value of this coin whould be today. Thanks Image: coin_front.jpg 11.64 KB Image: coin_back.jpg 66.42 KB Report this Post to the Staff

GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 12:03 pm Very Awesome Coin! I Love WWII commemorative coins! I haven't found the info yet but I'll keep lookin. OK I think it might be Belgium as their coins sometimes have 5F or 10F on them. Could someone look in the "Unusual" book by Krause. Thanks Edited by GO 06/26/2007 12:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ageka Pillar of the Community Belgium 2078 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 1:02 pm It is not in the Belgian book of coins and medals and F4.50 is such a strange denomination that I wonder what it means Might be short for Florin which is Guilders but I had no luch there neither Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 1:29 pm Operation Market Garden occurred in the Netherlands in 1944. My first thought would be The Netherlands, but I haven't been able to find anything there. If it were French it would be market RF. Luxembourg and Sitzerland also use F (Franc) but nothing there either. Are there any markings on the edge? If not, based on the F4.50 I would say Belgium. In any event a nice coin. KOCT#56 Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16816 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 6:14 pm In the Netherlands, "florin" and "guilder" are interchangeable (kind of like "sovereign" and "pound" in the British system) and the symbol for a guilder/florin was a small f shape. I presume it's a Dutch token of some sort. There was a series of Dutch tokens produced for use in certain towns for use in the local fair. I can't recall the specifics, but I do remember reading an article about them in a coin club magazine and the denomination of these tokens was denoted in florins, like this one is. I'll see if I can dig the article out later tonight. (edited top tidy up link) Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Edited by Sap 06/26/2007 6:34 pm Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 6:18 pm Well if anyone finds out exactly what it is and where I can find another one Please let me know. Report this Post to the Staff
fljp New Member Canada 3 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 7:52 pm Thanks for all your help. I posted on another discussion group and someone mentioned that it could be a Token. Much like what SAP is saying. Just for your reading pleasure, here is the poem that I found in Arnhem which is framed on either side by the coins. Picture enclosed. To the men of Arnhem We thank them all White gravestones - Hundreds - Row by Row Silently on parade. Reminder of deatly show Of war and hate. Of duty done. A soldier resting beneath each stone. Our hearts grow heavy with untold sorrow For those young men - Without tomorow Our minds and souls are equaly sore For these young men - That are no more. We walk along on a lawn so green With veterans - telling what they have seen Of war and battle and fearful strife That cost these men their youthful life. A stone with a badge. A name, a date Buried here, brothers, friend and mate. They fought their battles to free us all Till the bugle sounded their last call. We stand and listen to that silent sound That seems to come from all around With bowed heads we hear that call With grieving hearts we thank them all. Image: framed-coins.jpg 34.02 KB Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 06/26/2007 8:21 pm Always nice to see a story with a coin. I still haven't found any detailed references of this coin online. Looks to me like you have Two coins. Let me know if you ever want to part with one. Report this Post to the Staff
ageka Pillar of the Community Belgium 2078 Posts	Posted 06/27/2007 08:07 am SAP I guess wikipedia is at least half wrong the guilder or the florin is a g Report this Post to the Staff
valutarick Valued Member Netherlands 376 Posts	Posted 06/28/2007 6:25 pm Must be a dutchie to find this out... and it is not the only coin that Arnhem has issued in the past as local money during the event in which the Dutchies remember the failed plan of Montgomery. This is the first coin of remembrance of 45 years: We see the bridge (Waalbrug) across the river Rhine (Rijn)depicted on a military allied map of 1944, a tank, parachute and jeep. The coin was legal tender within the centre of the city for an amount of 4 guilders (gulden) and 50 cents. The Second coin is issued 5 years later with 50 years remembrance and has the same Waalbrug.The reverse shows a parachute, a sitting Polish and Britisch paratrooper. This coin also was legal tender within the Towncentre of Arnhem in the year 1994. Holland has issued many local coins for remembrance purposes. There is a large variety to World War 2 topics. As they are only legal tender for a day or 11 months within legal acts (Muntwet) they are not valid money outside the depicted area. You will not see them with a photograph in a World Coin Catalogue. As for values: some of these coins are issued in silver and gold. Most are issued in cupronickel, as well as the one shown in the scan. We in the Netherlands charge 2 euro for such a piece of history (approximately 1 us-dollar and 85 cents). Silver pieces will do 10 euro and gold pieces will do goldprice. Greetings from Rotterdam, Holland. Report this Post to the Staff
fljp New Member Canada 3 Posts	Posted 07/01/2007 12:03 pm Here is the info I received from the Airborne museum in Arnhem: Dear Sir, The coin is a commemorative coin mintaged by the Dutch 'Rijksmunt' at Utrecht.Please have a look at : http://nl.knm.nl . Their site is also in English. F 4,50 means Dutch Florins 4,50 (gulden - guilders). Yours Sincerely, Robert N. Sigmond Library & Documentationcentre Airborne Museum Hartenstein Thanks to all who help me finding out about my coins Report this Post to the Staff
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