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Hi everyone, What would you say about these feathers next to the right leg? Thanks for any info.    |
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What would you say about these feathers next to the right leg?
I'd say, "Very interesting."  Seriously, 1878's are not my forte but I don't recall seeing such a wing/leg intersection in any of my VAM travels. I'd say that's a die chip at the bottom of the wing - I don't see any damage or missing metal which could throw blame on a postmint hit for it. The wing/leg intersection, though.... Could you post the full reverse,so we can narrow down the attribution? The important points are the "o" in God, the "r" in "trust," and the "D" in "DOLLAR." |
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Here's full reverse.  |
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This one appears to need a trip to LVA. But I would check VAMworld first and make sure we are not missing something. This could be a really big find as long as it has not been knifed. Check and make sure nothing in the 180's matches up. The photos are a little hard to tell from. If you can get better pics it will help when showing the guys on VAMworld.
Kris
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I went through the 180's and most of the other "broken r" VAMs without luck, and sat back to await more 1878 peeps commenting. We'd need some much clearer images of the obverse lettering, as so many of those VAMs have relevant features on those letters and the circulated condition of the coin will make them harder to identify. I have to say, though, I'm really stuck by the appearance of the eagle's right-side wing/leg intersection. It's like nothing I've ever seen on a Morgan, and deserves some serious study whether it's die damage or deliberate. Wish you were closer to me and my camera, allcoinsnewbie. I think you might have something here. |
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Wow!! I too went through the 180's until cross eyed. Problem is with the worn obverse letters. What a shame that this coin is not in good shape. What's LVA? I will try to get better pictures and try the VAM WORLD route (scary),and then update you all. Thank you. You guys are the best. |
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I asked a friend on VAMworld to look at the pictures in this link. He is a VAM expert and will hopefully be able to give us some insight. The problem might be needing some better pictures of the obverse E PLURIBUS UNUM letters and a clear close up of the inside of the viewer left wing. LVA is the guy that wrote the VAM book. Well, he and another guy named George Mallis did anyway. LVA (Leroy Van Allen) is still viewing coins and listing new varieties but he is getting up in age and does not like to be bothered with coins unless they are confirmed new by the VAM collecting community (VAMworld). I would recommend waiting to post on VAMworld until we have determined that it is for sure not just damage. Some 1878 coins can be very hard to VAM without close up pictures or coin in hand. Kris |
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Duh!! LVA=Leroy...correct?
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Charlene, can you get us a closeup of the "D" in "DOLLAR?"
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wish I could do better with pictures. I'm using Nikon S3300. Don't have a clue about settings.  |
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The close up picture of the leg makes me wonder if it is damaged with a knife long ago. There is a chance it might be real but I have never seen anything like this on a morgan that was not a knifed coin. The guy on VAMworld told me to check the B2b reverse morgans (open o). He said he thought it might be a VAM 146 but he would need to see it in hand or have much clearer close ups. If you are using a nikon you should be able to get some really good photos with brite white lighting. (use the spiral all pure white light bulbs) Prop your coin up on somehitng to get good lighting on it, Then set your camera to close up setting. You should be able to find amanual on line for it. http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Pr...X-S3300.htmlI am going to try and contact another guy that really knows his VAMs. I will let you know what he says it is. |
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This page might help you narrow it down. It says anything wiith a broken O should be in the 140-146 area. http://www.vamworld.com/1878-P-2012...bution_guidePS the guy I talked with on VAMworld said it can't be the 146 though because your coin has a II/I obv and the 146 has a II obv.. Edited by 7TF
12/03/2013 6:12 pm
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PMD or "struck through" from what I can see. I do not beleive there is a VAM# with the tail feathers looking like yours.
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Hi all, I think this may be VAM 165. Here's the D again for Ssuperdave and more of the subject feathers. Hope a knife is not involved. Thanks guys     |
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