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7TF Pillar of the Community 743 Posts	Posted 12/05/2013 12:44 am The other expert could not tell what VAM it is but he said it was a knife cut for sure. I am sorry, I am sure you will find something rare soon. Just keep looking. There are some amazing varieties still available for picking. Report this Post to the Staff
allcoinsnewbie Valued Member United States 170 Posts	Posted 12/05/2013 01:50 am Thank you for all you put into this 7TF. Hoped I really had something. Do you know why people took knives to coins? Using my lighted magnifier I was able to detect the worn pups and am pretty sure it is VAM 165. Tried for 166, but no go. I appreciate everyone's input and time very much. The biggie will come. Report this Post to the Staff
7TF Pillar of the Community 743 Posts	Posted 12/05/2013 07:38 am Most likely was done along time ago from the look of it. I don't know why they did it but it is in a peculiar place. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 12/05/2013 9:27 pm I'm not buying a knife cut. Where's the displaced metal coming from, and why isn't the bottom curve of the feather it runs through damaged? Think for yourselves. Report this Post to the Staff
7TF Pillar of the Community 743 Posts	Posted 01/01/2014 4:55 pm The reason the feather does not appear to be damaged is because this coin was circulated after the cut. As for displaced metal it is there as the lump we are looking at but has since worn due to circulation. The guy that wrote the 1878 attribution guide confirmed to me that it had to be a knife cut. Given that this is a VAM 165 just puts the nail in the coffin because no other VAM 165 has this wing anomaly. Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 01/01/2014 5:30 pm after closely looking at it, appears to be cut, then circulated and worn down smooth. Too bad, it sure had me at first glance. Looked a lot like 1878-CC VAM 11 die gouges in wing. Or struck through, but after figuring out the VAM it has to be cut and worn down. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Report this Post to the Staff
morganhead New Member United States 39 Posts	Posted 01/01/2014 10:35 pm looks like chisel work. I think the metal off the metal off the tailfeather would lay back in if it were pushed. Have you tried to poke it with a stick ? To see if the piece of metal is off of the field. Report this Post to the Staff
7TF Pillar of the Community 743 Posts	Posted 01/02/2014 12:54 am I will admit, I wanted this to be something big just as much as Charlene and you SuperDdave. These knifed coins are very interesting and it really makes you wonder how and why they happened. There is another example of a knifed coin that has been talked about on VAMworld many different times but I can't find a link to it right now. Here is another knifed coin though that was talked about on VAMworld a few years back. http://www.vamworld.com/share/view/62264602 Here is an interesting side note: The mint did actually cancel dies with an X this link shows a money clip that was made with a cancelled 1884 CC obverse die. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1884-CC-MOR...047675.l2557 Edited by 7TF 01/02/2014 12:57 am Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 01/03/2014 04:14 am Quote: These knifed coins are very interesting and it really makes you wonder how and why they happened. Which, of course, is why I'm so far off the deep end, so often. Who cares, "what?" I want to know "why." The "knife cut" explanation is the Occam's Razor answer for this and all similar coins, and almost certainly correct. In this case, the damage on the wing feather probably folded northwards, up and back onto the feather with a slight downward component - almost flat but a little up. But the images do not make this conclusive to me, and I feel very strongly that numismatists are too quick to hew to "conventional wisdom." It illustrates the need for us to equip every single numismatist with the micro-imaging capability to make arguments like this one moot. Report this Post to the Staff
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