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 Posted 12/04/2013  4:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stormdog123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Assuming no Presidential death(s) before January 1st, 2014, is the Presidential $1 coin and first spouse series finalized?

The law states "No coin issued under this subsection may bear the image of a living former or current president, or of any deceased former president during the 2-year period following the date of the death of that president."

The series is scheduled to end in 2016.

Since Jimmy Carter is still alive. Does the series end with Gerald Ford or does the mint just skip living Presidents and we will have Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan coins?

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Guess it means 2013 is "Throw Jimmy from the train" year...lol

Not sure about the real answer to your question...iI am sure someone will answer it soon
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The Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005 can be viewed here.


The question is how to interpret the "Order of issuance" requirement that the Presidential dollar coins "shall be issued in order..."


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Order of issuance.--The coins issued under this subsection commemorating Presidents of the United States shall be issued in the order of the period of service of each President, beginning with President George Washington.

This can be read two ways.

One interpretation is that no president can be skipped, even if they are alive. That is, a Regan dollar cannot be issued before Carter is eligible and his coin issued. Therefore, Ford would end the series.

The other interpretation implies that they could not issue those eligible (by death) out of sequence. That is, no Jefferson before Adams, or Reagan before Ford. This interpretation would allow for Carter to be skipped to issue a Reagan dollar.

I feel that this ambiguity should prompt Congress discuss the issue if we neared the deadline with a still living Carter. Even in this extremely polarized environment, I feel they could easily pass an amendment to explicitly allow a Reagan dollar, since the program commemorates all presidents equally. A good compromise, to encourage passage, might include verbiage to expedite and allow a Carter dollar soon after he becomes deceased (getting around the "dead two years" and "issued in order" requirements).


For what it is worth, the Wikipedia article implies that a Reagan dollar will be issued and will be the 39th or 40th in the series...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Dollar
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I think it is ambiguous enough that they could issue a Reagan dollar.
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Actually I think they have til mid 2014 for Carter to kick the bucket.

Wikipedia may say that Reagan will be the last in the series, but so far it looks like the Mint has interpreted the law to mean that you can't skip over a living President because the Mints production list ends with Ford. https://www.usmint.gov/mint_program...ion=schedule (It ended with Nixon until after Ford died, then he was added to the list.) So I would say that at the moment they are not planning on a Reagan dollar.

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I have a Whitman folder that has a spot for Jimmy Carter...
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my Dansco has a spot all the way to GWB and 2 more empty spots
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... it looks like the Mint has interpreted the law to mean that you can't skip over a living President because the Mints production list ends with Ford... So I would say that at the moment they are not planning on a Reagan dollar
My heart says they may be waiting until they know Carter would be skipped, out of respect (I did find it rather creepy seeing 39/40 next to Reagan in the list).

However, my gut says that the Mint never makes the hard decisions. They will probably end the program as they have it listed, unless nature or congress intervenes.



I suppose ambiguity is job security for lawmakers and lawyers.
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GooD question. I feel they should keep exact order.
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 Posted 12/06/2013  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sure hope Jimmy isn't feeling any pressure from this.
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I guess it is official. There will be NO Reagan coin.

http://mintnewsblog.com/2014/03/201...not-present/
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If sales were better I bet there'd be a Reagan dollar. As of now the mint probably wants to be done with the series and move on. Reagan in one though were something making his dollar could end up getting added into a bill and get it through so really it's anyone's guess right now
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So what's planned for the dollar coins after the Presidents?

They seem to be packaging all kinds of different quarter sets and dollar sets that if they only made Native American dollars they would be losing out on some market share.
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I think I read somewhere that they are required by law to continue the Sacagawea/NA dollars once the Presidential program ends.
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I guess it is official. There will be NO Reagan coin.
Did you read the same article I did? I see nothing official, just the mint staying mum and bloggers giving the same speculation we have had here for the last few years.


On a lighter note, I got giddy seeing the designs for the Eisenhower Presidential dollar.
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I saw the article. The inference from the article is if the Mint is designing coins for 2016, why isn't Reagan there? Plus Reagan absence from the official $1 schedule means he is not getting a coin.
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