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The Morgan Dollar & The Price Of Silver

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Just curious about this.. and wanted to ask you expert's and older guys who have been in the Silver Collecting business for alot longer than I.

I am afraid we may/could see Silver go down to $15.00 an ounce. I started buying my Morgan dollars when Silver was around $38.00 an ounce. I currently have about 33 total. Of those 33 only 4 are graded, and there common years at MS64. The rest of them I bought in junk silver bins, so there not of great graded quality.

So my question is, do I continue to buy up used circulated Morgan dollars ever chance I get, or will Silver, if it his a low point again offer the Morgans at $10-$15.00 a piece.

I know if your like me and you started buying in the $30-40.00 range , it is going to be hard to sell them off at that price. Any thoughts or comments would be much apperciated.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jolson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver prices are down there is no denying that, however, if you look over five years the five year low was 9.39 (not adjusted for inflation). Now the big question is how low will it go before it goes back up. I think a lot depends on what the Feds due in terms of QE. Our currency is being devalued and our debt is at record levels. I am not predicting an economic collapse but you look back when silver was 48/toz back in 2011 the economy was going down hill.

We are in uncharted territories with QE, low interest rates, and debt spending. Add to the mix the political brinkmanship over the debt and other issue like USA credit rating being downgraded, and maybe again soon... you get a picture were though silver may fall even further, but, I ** believe ** that should QE and our debt hit the dollar even harder I would expect silver to go back up. If we enter into another 2011 period then I see no reason why we cannot get back to $48 a toz.

I view this period as a time to buy while prices are low. But that is just me.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An authoritative and definitive answer to your question is impossible. There are too many unpredictable variables and it's anybody's guess. Nobody can predict
with any certainty how silver spot will fare in the future. As for what to do -- do what you feel good about doing, but don't do it to a self-injurious degree. Also...
I think you'll find more and better information about Morgans in the US Classic Coins forum than you'll find here. Morgans aren't ASEs -- year, mint, condition and
graded vs. raw make worlds of difference with Morgans. You need far more than "bullion-level knowledge" if you want to play with Morgans.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mraderm946 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. Buying now reduces your overall price per ounce. While you are accumulating, lower prices are what you want. Remember though...Morgans are only .900 silver.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jolson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both very good points. I in no way meant my response to imply that I know what is going to happen. I am merely speculating based on historical trends. Of course, there are many factors which could either prove me wrong or right. However, I also agree that there is better ways to buy silver then Morgans. Some Morgans, just by their rarity, maybe worth more then any historical spot price of silver. Also, being a Morgan fanatic myself, it pains me to know they are being melted.... But I 100% agree that you need to do what feels comfortable to you. Silver, like any commodity, is subject to wild swings so a cautious approach should always be used.
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 Posted 12/04/2013  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you in it for the pleasure of the coin, or for future gain...? You should be rejoicing that Morgans may get to a more affordable price again.
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So my question is, do I continue to buy up used circulated Morgan dollars ever chance I get, or will Silver, if it his a low point again offer the Morgans at $10-$15.00 a piece


Its not clear at this point what Morgans are going to do. With the falling silver prices a lot of people have turned to things like that that provide cushion from spot prices.

Granted theyre common dates, but some have been melted and some have ended up in hoards where theyll sit for quite some time. How many have been lost from "circulation" for lack of a better term is what will determine how low they can get again.

Theres also the argument they used to be under valued and 20-30 is more of a proper value for them. The one thing that does seem to be clear is their price is going to fall much slower than ASEs or Maple bullion versions. 10-15 is probably the lowest you can expect to find them even with 2 or 3 dollar silver barring some undiscovered hoard being found.


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You should be rejoicing that Morgans may get to a more affordable price again.


Truth. When youre buying something you want it to be as cheap as possible. You only want the prices to be rising if youre getting ready to start selling a lot.

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 Posted 12/05/2013  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver dollars and 90% will only become rarer and rarer....like another member mentioned, how many have been melted, destroyed by natural disasters, etc daily? A lot I bet! Falling metal prices are great.....keep buying them to keep.your cost average low
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 Posted 12/06/2013  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jm20thengr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed with you all. Only time will tell. Hope you all have a great week!
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 Posted 12/06/2013  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're truly into Morgans, I would aim for some decent MS examples, or at the very least, AU.
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I agree with Libertad... I'd suggest an alternative to just collecting the random Morgan is to look for the high quality coins. MS or Au as suggested. If you change to finding a high quality coin - you'll pay more but also won't have to worry about the cost to melt value you find yourself wrangling with now.
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 Posted 12/08/2013  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having a small hoard of decent morgans/peace is just as great. Joe blow on the streets won't understand a MS66 from a ms67 morgan but a circulated one he can relate to and afford.
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mkman12... you make my point. Joe Blow on the street also won't understand why you want more for your Morgans than the market value of silver. If you are collecting coins with the idea you are going to profit by selling to Joe Blow - you have to accept you are operating in a low margin selling arena. If on the other hand you are collecting coins as an investment for return at a distant date yet determined - you are better off buying high grade marketable coins that will appreciate in value as they are held - not lose value based on the market price of silver. That is the difference to me between hording bullion silver and collecting numismatic coins.
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 Posted 12/09/2013  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jm20thengr: If you're trying to put together a fast year set, then low-grades may be an affordable route to take. It all depends on your intent and your roadmap with collecting. I started out buying cheap coins for their metal contents by exploiting my knowledge of coins over those who didn't see the runup coming or who were cheesed about the 50% drop after 2008. Going through "junk" bins was a big hit. But now that silver is hot I go mostly for Canadian MS year sets because if new collectors come in they will be an easy sell once I get bored of looking at them or upgrade my sets.
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 Posted 12/17/2013  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverdollar2011 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, prices are fueled by supply and demand. Morgan dollars are not considered junk silver by coin collectors unless if they are severely worn.
Even these severely worn Morgan dollars are sold by their face value instead of by weight.
There is a market for Morgan dollars and similar coinage where many coin collectors pay a premium on top of the spot price of silver for them.
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 Posted 12/23/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious, why would "Joe Blow" care about any coins, period?

He can't tell the difference between XF and MS, and an old worn coin will look valueless to him. Why is he even in this equation? There are so many views on silver collecting that I think it should be mandatory to post your roadmap in your signature so we know where the discussion is actually headed.

Is this another one of those "we need constitutional coinage for the collapse" mentalities? Your gold and silver legal tender is produced in the form of Eagles and Buffalos, you just have to put it in circulation and it's constitutional.

Old US coinage, to me, is history, not bullion. I think the prices can only go up on those. If you suddenly had 50% of the world's coin collectors to just stop their hobby, then these pieces can go for less, but for now they are worth the money if you're completing a set. Ok, that's all I have to say, I think.
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